IIRC, Green's reign of terror and genocidal campaigns came after WWIII.
Federation...Wow!
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I don't recall the nuke war being called WWIII only the Nuclear Holcost so there was WWIII in wich the ECON PANAM and EU battled it out then Green took power over a large area of the world killing 10 of millions so the nation got together and used limted nulclear weapon on him killing around 37 Million (so we get to 37 million dead in the war) does it work perfectly? No! but it work good for me.
the nuclear holocaust was called WWIII in First Contact
Green's death toll was never described as 37million to my knowledge.
the Eugenics wars are said to have had 37mil. casualties. as was WWIII in a TOS ep, but Riker claimed WWIII had a far higher casualty count in FC.
Green's death toll was never described as 37million to my knowledge.
the Eugenics wars are said to have had 37mil. casualties. as was WWIII in a TOS ep, but Riker claimed WWIII had a far higher casualty count in FC.
In the Defiant's readout screens in IAMD, Green is said to be a radical eco-terrorist whose actions killed 37 million people.
questionable canonicity, display screens
I read this book years ago. I remember it being a little slow for me at first, but by the time I finished it I really enjoyed it.
I thought Thorsen would've made a great villian, and it's a shame that Federation wasn't the TNG/TOS team-up movie instead of Generations. Generations wasn't all that bad to me, but I think that Federation would've made a better, more epic film.
I thought Thorsen would've made a great villian, and it's a shame that Federation wasn't the TNG/TOS team-up movie instead of Generations. Generations wasn't all that bad to me, but I think that Federation would've made a better, more epic film.
A thought just occurred to me while reading thru this thread. We've pretty much missed the boat in regards to seeing the TOS and TNG crews team up as depicted in the novel on screen, but what if Federation was re-worked to make it an ENT/TNG story?
I've not read Federation for quite some time, so there may be some things inherent to the story that may cause this to not work, but what are the major issues? How would/could these be over come?
I'm not saying this should be done, but I thought it would be interesting and fun to see what would be needed to make it work.
Thoughts? Ideas?
I've not read Federation for quite some time, so there may be some things inherent to the story that may cause this to not work, but what are the major issues? How would/could these be over come?
I'm not saying this should be done, but I thought it would be interesting and fun to see what would be needed to make it work.
Thoughts? Ideas?
it take place during the five year mission right after JtB so even if it had been made when the book came out it would have been hard to get the crew of NCC1701 to look right change to place it around 2290 for there section. Other then take anamation could alway work
If you tweak a few dates and one or two character-details, it's quite possible to line the two stories up with minimal fuss (I'm the guy who wrote that reconciliation-essay
). Even The Wrath of Khan, for instance, got several of its dates wrong onscreen, so I have no real problem at all with retrofitting a novel to match filmed ST.Basically, just subtract 28 years from every historical date mentioned in the book (and correct Cochrane's departure year from 2117 to 2119, as established in "Broken Bow"), and you're golden. About the only gaping hole is the absence of Zefram's wife Monica during the events of the Borg attack, but the novel actually mentions that he'd been away from Alpha Centauri for several years following the nuclear holocaust on Earth, prior to settling there -- if we assume a separation period in Montana for several years prior to the wedding, it tracks.
(Also, the Star Trek: First Contact novelization gives us the best overall birthdate for Cochrane -- 2013 AD -- which neatly aligns the TOS dialogue, the events of Federation, and James Cromwell's real-life age.)
Not necessarily, since Cochrane's first warp flight aboard the Bonaventure prior to the war never resulted in first contact with an alien species -- it wasn't until after the Phoenix's launch that the newly-contacted Vulcans began massively aiding Earth's road to recovery, which is what makes the "and then everything got better" post-ST:FC continuity work with the novel's.
(Of course, if you factor in Strangers from the Sky, things get slightly more complicated due to what occurs in 2065, but it's still quite workable. The UNSS Amity rescues a stranded Vulcan ship inside the solar system, humanity's first "official" first contact with that species; further cementing goodwill and good relations with that world; further aiding Earth's post-nuclear recovery after the Cochrane/Borg incident in 2063, etc.)
In the novel The Sundered, we learn that Green was active during (and the implication is, prior to) the war. It was "Terra Prime" which established that he'd survived WWIII, which filled in a nice hole in the continuity.
Actually, the NCC-1701 portions of the novel take place immediately after Kirk's stabbing en route to the Babel Conference, and six months or so after the events of "Metamorphosis," which would make it a slightly trickier retcon, probably. There's also dialogue mentioning the impressive Vulcan crew of the USS Intrepid and stuff like that, which would place it before "The Tholian Web."
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^Err, the Vulcan-crewed Intrepid was lost in "The Immunity Syndrome." It was the Defiant that was lost in "The Tholian Web."
You're right, it was "The Immunity Syndrome" -- blonde-moment brainfart after a long day. Had the wrong destroyed Constitution-class starship on my mind, there.
