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The Walking Dead Season 5

The charger thing apparently hard-wired to the car's electrical system rather than being a separate device that'd need to be physically taken to the engine compartment and connected to the battery.

Didn't pay enough attention to catch the model of the car, but plenty of designs now have a battery connection point in the trunk. Or in some cars (know BMW and Volvo at least have done this before) the battery itself is located in the trunk, and there's just a jumper point brought out to the front.

Idea being no matter which way you park the car, there's an easy jump point facing 'outward' to make getting help easier. Maybe the battery was safer from impact in the rear, dunno that, just know it made getting a jump easier if you had connections front and back.

So entirely possible that once she found that in the trunk, she just hooked it up right there...
 
I don't think Bob's a goner just yet. For one, he wasn't limping or had any visible bite marks. I do wonder if he was at one time either a member of Terminus before they turned cannibal, or if he was a member of the cannibal gang that corrupted Gareth, because Gareth did seem really familiar with Bob, "cosmic justice" and all that. Maybe Bob was crying because for a little while he was a part of a group that was, at least, a little normal and knows he can't stay with them.

Also, if Daryl and Carol are going to be following the Jesusmobile, what was the point in smashing in the car's taillights? I realize possibly to conceal the brake lights, but shouldn't they have smashed in the headlights too, in case the car has always-on running lights? And don't even get me started over that portable battery charger still having juice after TWO FRIGGING YEARS.
 
Honestly, at this point I've given up wondering about cars and fuel.
As for Beth, I wonder if it would be to early for them to introduce
Alexandria, the Hilltop Colony or the Saviors? I'm assuming they wouldn't introduce Negan and his people while they are still dealing with the Terminites, but I wouldn't be surprised if they started some kind of set up for them to appear later.
If her captors aren't related to the spoilers, then I kind of hope they're either friendly, or just a one off enemy. They already have the Terminites to deal with, I'd rather not see the show introduce more baddies while still dealing with them.
 
I don't think Bob's a goner just yet. For one, he wasn't limping or had any visible bite marks. I do wonder if he was at one time either a member of Terminus before they turned cannibal, or if he was a member of the cannibal gang that corrupted Gareth, because Gareth did seem really familiar with Bob, "cosmic justice" and all that. Maybe Bob was crying because for a little while he was a part of a group that was, at least, a little normal and knows he can't stay with them.

The "cosmic justice" Gareth likely referred to was that Bob was the one pleading for peace and hope, but ends up a victim of those who invest in violence and hopelessness anyway.

And don't even get me started over that portable battery charger still having juice after TWO FRIGGING YEARS.

Shh! Do NOT dare ask a rational question about the existence of fuel this long into the ZA!

Hear? yes, Consider? Possibly, Risk yourself without good reason? No.

The good reason is...ending the ZA. If the walker virus is eradicated, society can make a serious attempt to rebuild, rather than live in a constant state of flight, scavenging or fear from walkers and worst of all, immoral, opportunistic humans.

Under that condition, luck runs out, as seen with Andrea, Oscar, Axel, the group in "Vatos" (if you count the deleted scenes), Hershel, and probably Bob.


Everybody was skeptical of the reverend. They all know it doesn't add up. Rick was the most vocal, and maybe you're right about him having his own issues as to why, but he wasn't alone in giving the side glance to this new cleric dude. Not one of them is even remotely questioning Eugene at all. The only reason Abe had to wait at all was because they've been too busy. It doesn't make sense that they'd be this easy about it. Rick: "The baby thinks we should go! Let's Go!"

Rick is considering his options. There's no security, no base of operations (even a fortified prison fell) and that increases the danger. As we will see in episode 3, the locals only promise death.

A direction of hope is not an excuse. False or misplaced hope is not a solution for hopelessness. Making a reason to have hope is, & this plan is really scraping the bottom of the barrel for finding something to believe in. They should know better

Then, they ignore Eugene, and keep running from one abandoned house to another--similar to the situation seen in the season 3 premiere.

...while avoiding enemies from every corner.
 
I don't think Bob's a goner just yet. For one, he wasn't limping or had any visible bite marks. I do wonder if he was at one time either a member of Terminus before they turned cannibal, or if he was a member of the cannibal gang that corrupted Gareth, because Gareth did seem really familiar with Bob, "cosmic justice" and all that. Maybe Bob was crying because for a little while he was a part of a group that was, at least, a little normal and knows he can't stay with them.

I dunno, Bob lost his leg and the Termites seemed pretty set on eating him. I'd argue he's a goner. Sure, Hershel lost his leg too and stuck around but he was a more major character and our "father figure" character. I don't think Bob's been around enough to deal with the effort in digitally removing his leg for his remaining time on the series.

Also, if Daryl and Carol are going to be following the Jesusmobile, what was the point in smashing in the car's taillights? I realize possibly to conceal the brake lights, but shouldn't they have smashed in the headlights too, in case the car has always-on running lights? And don't even get me started over that portable battery charger still having juice after TWO FRIGGING YEARS.

The car was running already, if it had always-on headlights or headlights that turn themselves on in the dark they would have been on. They weren't.

So smashing the taillights was probably more to conceal to brake lights. Though he didn't smash in the CHMSL.

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The intense optimism is interesting to me. Let's give Eugene the benefit of the doubt and that he does have a solution to "cure" everyone of the inactive form of the walker-disease and once cured we can just kill the remaining walkers and move on.

But we've got to have the means, infrastructure and materials to mass-produce the cure. Then we have to distribute the cure globally. The once everyone is cured and the walkers are all gone.... then what?

The world is in tatters after the last 2-plus years. It's going to take a monumental effort to rebuild and this to speak nothing of areas that might be uninhabitable after this period of time because local nuclear power plants have melted down/failed and irradiated the surrounding area. Structures are in disrepair and may no longer be safe for use after the time if not from structural damage just from weather and dissuse over the period of time. The walker-disease is gone but that skyscraper that's been standing there for two years not being kept up is now filled with toxic mold and has to come down!

All of these oil wells, pumps and so forth? Rusted closed and will need to be replaced. Water pipes? Damaged or rusted, need to be replaced. Power lines? Down and need to be replaced.

Food supply? No one's been maintaining livestock or crops for two years so we need to start over there.

So, it's not like they're going to work out the solution and the world is going to be back-up and running within a couple of months. It'd probably take a better part of a generation to get things back to what we think-of as normal and during this time you're still going to have no real way of maintaining a sense of law and order across the country/world so you're still going to have people out there struggling to survive and avoiding malicious groups of people, there's no-longer a world-wide communication system to get everyone back on the same page.

Hell, there's no real way to get the cure to everyone!

And even if we can accomplish all of this, there's still endless issues with re-establishing borders and governments. We're not going to pick-up where we left off.

So not only should people be challenging Eugene on his claims of having an idea of a cure, but challenging him on how having a cure is even beneficial to the world with no real means to create it, mass-produce it, distribute it, and then to rebuild society.
 
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^Yeah, I'm kinda wondering why no one has even asked if there's any PROOF of anyone left in Washington. Even if someone is left in underground bunkers or whatnot, all of DC could be over-run with walkers. Getting to DC would mean nothing if there's not any infrastructure to even produce, let alone distribute, a vaccine.
 
It could be aerial, something that reproduces in the air to produce the cure.

Like that time one person got the common cold and then a few days later everyone in the world had it?

Even if it's an airborne cure and an extremely virulent one it'd still take a very, very long time to cure everyone in the world, no matter how many may remain.
 
The world is in tatters after the last 2-plus years. It's going to take a monumental effort to rebuild and this to speak nothing of areas that might be uninhabitable after this period of time because local nuclear power plants have melted down/failed and irradiated the surrounding area. Structures are in disrepair and may no longer be safe for use after the time if not from structural damage just from weather and dissuse over the period of time. The walker-disease is gone but that skyscraper that's been standing there for two years not being kept up is now filled with toxic mold and has to come down!

All of these oil wells, pumps and so forth? Rusted closed and will need to be replaced. Water pipes? Damaged or rusted, need to be replaced. Power lines? Down and need to be replaced.

Food supply? No one's been maintaining livestock or crops for two years so we need to start over there.

So, it's not like they're going to work out the solution and the world is going to be back-up and running within a couple of months. It'd probably take a better part of a generation to get things back to what we think-of as normal and during this time you're still going to have no real way of maintaining a sense of law and order across the country/world so you're still going to have people out there struggling to survive and avoiding malicious groups of people, there's no-longer a world-wide communication system to get everyone back on the same page.

And even if we can accomplish all of this, there's still endless issues with re-establishing borders and governments. We're not going to pick-up where we left off.

Of course rebuilding will not be easy, but in 2 years' time, the world did not turn into one of those post-apocalyptic, ivy-covered building matte paintings seen in old sci-fi movies.

Woodbury and Terminus did not spring up overnight, and there's no evidence that the structures had an uninterrupted system of maintenance pre-and post ZA outbreak. With that in mind, it suggests even small groups can restore buildings or city blocks' worth of structures to some sort of working order.

Now, imagine how effective survivors would be without the constant threat of walkers? Again, i'm not saying society will spring up overnight, but the world is not a crumbling, smoldering disaster area, either.


So not only should people be challenging Eugene on his claims of having an idea of a cure, but challenging him on how having a cure is even beneficial to the world with no real means to create it, mass-produce it, distribute it, and then to rebuild society.

Didn't Eugene hint that his intention is to join others working on a cure? Moreover, how is a cure not beneficial at any scale, if it stops--or even slows the progression of new walkers?
 
Didn't Eugene hint that his intention is to join others working on a cure? Moreover, how is a cure not beneficial at any scale, if it stops--or even slows the progression of new walkers?

He's been kind of all over the place, really, in what he's said or what his endgame is. But given the haste Abraham is operating on it seems implied Eugene is the linchpin in the "cure."

But, sure, a cure would be beneficial in slowing or stopping the walkers, but Abraham and even Bob talked like they're going to put things back they way they were, "for that little girl there," which, sorry, isn't going to happen. A rebuilt society is probably the better part of a generation away considering everything that's going to need to happen between stopping the progression of the disease and getting the world operating again.
 
Yeah, I'm kinda wondering why no one has even asked if there's any PROOF of anyone left in Washington. Even if someone is left in underground bunkers or whatnot, all of DC could be over-run with walkers. Getting to DC would mean nothing if there's not any infrastructure to even produce, let alone distribute, a vaccine.

I'm hoping that Rick is more perceptive and skeptical of this than he is letting on, and that he's pulling an Adama Gambit: telling his people they're heading for a sanctuary/cure even though he has little evidence of its existence, because it's not enough to just survive, you have to have hope for the future.

Besides which, heading toward Washington is a good idea regardless because of those very survival shelters and underground bunkers and presidential and congressional retreats you mention. If anywhere is liable to have more organization and remnants of civilization, it's going to be the center of government. Plus, there are military facilities and bases all over the place along the way and near DC.

USAMRIID is near DC at Ft. Detrick, which would be the next logical place to go after the CDC in Atlanta fell.
 
Then, they ignore Eugene, and keep running from one abandoned house to another--similar to the situation seen in the season 3 premiere.

...while avoiding enemies from every corner.
They'll be doing that anyway, whether it's true or not, and no, I'm not advocating ignoring Eugene. I'd totally be behind him if he had anything to go on besides some vague pipe dreaming that isn't even a cure, it's a potential weapon of some kind to "Take out every last dead one of them"... in the whole world... After we drive & slaughter are way through a sea of walkers to get to some phantom terminal in the nation's capital... in a bunker that has been locked up since civilization went down... a bunker set up better than the CDC... that he's supposedly in contact with... maybe. Jesus, if Shane was still alive to hear this, they'd have to put another bullet in his head. lol

If they had gone to the CDC & Jenner told them "LOOK! I've found the cure!" and then he demonstrated it, on a walker & told me, "But I'm alone, & now we got to get it to D.C. to use their delivery system" I'd probably encourage people to go on that gig. It would be like witnessing a miracle

Because that's what it would take to return civilization to its previous norm, a miracle. It's been down so long now, that vast scores of people aren't even civilized anymore. A Starbuck's barista is eating a dude's leg in the woods, right now. LMAO

There's no going back now. The only good life is forward to somewhere somebody hasn't thought of. Boat living baby. Get to know me
 
I don't think Bob's a goner just yet. For one, he wasn't limping or had any visible bite marks. I do wonder if he was at one time either a member of Terminus before they turned cannibal, or if he was a member of the cannibal gang that corrupted Gareth, because Gareth did seem really familiar with Bob, "cosmic justice" and all that. Maybe Bob was crying because for a little while he was a part of a group that was, at least, a little normal and knows he can't stay with them.

Agreed. There a couple other things I noticed. In the first episode, when they are about to have their heads sliced off, that guy calls Bob by his first name. Everyone else has a nickname, so how does he know Bobs name? Also, while Bob is outside being bbqed they cut to Maggie and fist pump girl( I can never remember names) telling her about being part of the governors group. I was thinking that it was specifically paralleling Bobs story for a reason.

I also read a theory that when they first met Bob he was actually out finding fresh meat for terminus. His story about being the last survivor of two separate groups, was a lie.

Also! His conversation with Rick in this episode seemed more like he was trying to tell his own story, that if you go too far in one direction it's too hard to go back.
 
I don't think Bob's a goner just yet. For one, he wasn't limping or had any visible bite marks. I do wonder if he was at one time either a member of Terminus before they turned cannibal, or if he was a member of the cannibal gang that corrupted Gareth, because Gareth did seem really familiar with Bob, "cosmic justice" and all that. Maybe Bob was crying because for a little while he was a part of a group that was, at least, a little normal and knows he can't stay with them.

Agreed. There a couple other things I noticed. In the first episode, when they are about to have their heads sliced off, that guy calls Bob by his first name. Everyone else has a nickname, so how does he know Bobs name? Also, while Bob is outside being bbqed they cut to Maggie and fist pump girl( I can never remember names) telling her about being part of the governors group. I was thinking that it was specifically paralleling Bobs story for a reason.

I also read a theory that when they first met Bob he was actually out finding fresh meat for terminus. His story about being the last survivor of two separate groups, was a lie.

Also! His conversation with Rick in this episode seemed more like he was trying to tell his own story, that if you go too far in one direction it's too hard to go back.

How about the season 4 flashback to Bob meeting Daryl and Glenn--do you think there's a chance the dialogue referred to his being a member of Terminus? In that scene, he told the men he had only killed one person--at her request. Could that be a case where a woman was trapped in Terminus, found out too late what was happening, and asked Bob--a Terminus member--to kill her?

I think most assume the woman was bitten, and did not want to reanimate, but if Bob had any previous Terminus connection,his story might refer to that group...

...or maybe he was telling the truth all along: he just moved from one ill fated group to another, never expecting any to last.
 
Oh hell, I don't know. I have a really bad memory. In light of this theory I feel the need to rewatch last season.

I can't remember whether Bob was trying to get them to go to terminus, or he was against it. Was he for it at the start but once he fell in love with what's her name, did he change his mind?
 
I do wonder if he was at one time either a member of Terminus before they turned cannibal, or if he was a member of the cannibal gang that corrupted Gareth, because Gareth did seem really familiar with Bob, "cosmic justice" and all that. Maybe Bob was crying because for a little while he was a part of a group that was, at least, a little normal and knows he can't stay with them.

Agreed. There a couple other things I noticed. In the first episode, when they are about to have their heads sliced off, that guy calls Bob by his first name. Everyone else has a nickname, so how does he know Bobs name?

I also read a theory that when they first met Bob he was actually out finding fresh meat for terminus. His story about being the last survivor of two separate groups, was a lie.

I didn't notice Gareth calling Bob by his first name in that scene, but I did notice that in the last episode. I figured Gareth had just overheard one of the others, but....

How about the season 4 flashback to Bob meeting Daryl and Glenn--do you think there's a chance the dialogue referred to his being a member of Terminus? In that scene, he told the men he had only killed one person--at her request. Could that be a case where a woman was trapped in Terminus, found out too late what was happening, and asked Bob--a Terminus member--to kill her?

I think most assume the woman was bitten, and did not want to reanimate, but if Bob had any previous Terminus connection,his story might refer to that group...

...or maybe he was telling the truth all along: he just moved from one ill fated group to another, never expecting any to last.

I think Bob as a member of Terminus makes a lot of sense.

Bob has always struck me as a little odd. I don't find his backstory suspicious. It could be true. But his behavior ... the alcohol, the smiling, the crying... is adding up to something that we haven't seen yet. My thought is that it's the behavior of someone who was a member of Terminus, and who's relieved to be out of it, but who's now having a hard time living with the things he's done.

Bob wasn't picked up from a known base (like Tara), and doesn't have any companions to vouch for him (like Abraham's group), and has had no flashbacks to before he joined Rick's group. As far as I know, he's the only established character in that position. That's starting to look just as suspicious as Gabriel is.

(Eugene is right behind them, but at least he has someone vouching for him.)

And at Terminus, Gareth pulled off Bob's gag just to hear what he had to say. I thought that was strange. How many final pleas did they get from people they were about to murder, and how many did they take time to listen to? That's something you do to indulge a person that you know.

Oh hell, I don't know. I have a really bad memory. In light of this theory I feel the need to rewatch last season.

I can't remember whether Bob was trying to get them to go to terminus, or he was against it. Was he for it at the start but once he fell in love with what's her name, did he change his mind?

Arrgh! I can't remember either!
 
Speaking of dumb decisions. Why the fuck did Daryl break the car's head and tail lights? He does realize you can leave them in the OFF position right?

We never saw him break the headlights. That and the car may have an auto switch that prevents them from turning off.
 
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