The Walking Dead Season 5

[Mojochi]

Then I'd want to talk to them before I mounted a suicide mission into the heart of the ZA, or I'd want to know who they are, how long ago that was, where they are, what they know & are doing, why they need us, if they can help us or help us get there, and why the hell this schmuck needs a half-assed escort to them

Questions man... and Abe's insistence about leaving him alone about it would be disregarded. Any time anyone asks, Sonny & Cher sing the same tune, & everyone backs off. That'll have to end soon

 

[Trekker4747]

Then I'd want to talk to them before I mounted a suicide mission into the heart of the ZA, or I'd want to know who they are, how long ago that was, where they are, what they know & are doing, why they need us, if they can help us or help us get there, and why the hell this schmuck needs a half-assed escort to them

Questions man... and Abe's insistence about leaving him alone about it would be disregarded. Any time anyone asks, Sonny & Cher sing the same tune, & everyone backs off. That'll have to end soon

Well, yeah, I feel the same way. Everyone seemed pretty quick to just accept Mullet Man at his word and go along with it. Which seems like a stretch under the circumstances of everything that's happened to these people and everything they've seen the last couple years.

 

[Mojochi]

That's how I feel too. I mean it's obvious that we know more than them, but they've been shown to know some stuff too. I expect to hold them to that. Sudden and inexplicable dumbness ruins things for me

That said. They have had their plate full til now. So I'm not down on them yet, but it can't stretch much further, and I'd be disappointed if the original five fell for it enough that they just unquestioningly tramp off to D.C.

It wouldn't make sense for Eugene either. If he is full of crap, and BSing to keep strong people around him, then he needs to decide when his story is endangering them more than keeping him safe. It is adverse to his self preservation to give up safety to maintain his lie. That's why he made them go back for Glenn. He's not stupid. He knows a good thing when it comes by

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

The things they learned at the CDC

1st hand witnessing of the destruction of the CDC

Everyone is already infected.

Reanimations times are widely ranged

"Very Few" people ever got to see the playback of test subject 19, which one would assume was their last & most extensive study

The infection invades the brain like Meningitis, then the adrenal glands hemorrhage.

The brain goes into shut down, then the major organs.

It restarts the lower brainstem function.

Could be microbial, viral, or parasitic. No one at the CDC had determined what it was, after experimenting on 18 pervious test subjects.

They all abandoned the facility & research, or killed themselves

The French were one of the last to be working on a solution, until catastrophic power failure shut them down, the same way the CDC was going down

Without power, the hope of using a similar facility to devise a solution is near nil. (That one's pretty important)

They house weaponized diseases, pathogens, & microorganisms at the CDC, the knowledge of which was of no help



That Rick now looks unfavorably on Jenner is not an objective perspective. In fact, one of the last things Jenner said to him was that one day he would not be grateful to him anymore, for letting them continue to fight

Jenner had given up. That doesn't make him crazy. Many sane people gave up. Rick might think it's crazy now, but that's because he won't give up. The info they got is still valid, and is of a nature that should shine unfavorable light on Eugene's claims

How so? Rick, Carl, Daryl and Carol are not doctors, and by Jenner's own admission, he was not the expert. The bottom line is after all of what you list above, no one knows the "why" of the ZA plague at all, so it is not logical for the original group to take Jenner's questionable position and use that to dismiss any other theories. They are as in the dark about CDC research as anything Eugene said in S5-1.

What he is asking is dangerous, going into D.C. It's something most or all of them wouldn't survive, and where most people wouldn't realize the futility of it, Rick & the season oners should, because if the CDC didn't hold out, then nothing in D.C. will have either, & therefore there's nothing any of them could do with one science guy & a band of gypsies, to repower whatever facility he thinks is worthwhile, such that they can determine, develop & distribute some kind of miracle fix

I would wager DC had more in the way of security and emergency event structures than Atlanta. If any emergency facilities / groups exist, or had a heads-up as the walker virus spread, they would not sit around, waiting to be picked off by the dead, or subjected to anarchy from opportunistic citizens.

They should know better. It's a suicide mission, & Eugene is actually too ignorant to know that, or he'd be coming up with a better story

Then what does that say about Abraham?

 

[Mr. Adventure]

I must say Bob looked pretty delicious.

 

[Velocity]

oh man this is getting so nasty, it is getting difficult to watch. Was one of those guys the one that Tyreese "killed"? See, Rick had the right idea.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Obvious set up: Bob was far too happy and hopeful.

Rick was correct in his idea to eliminate the Termites. Glenn's initial protest (in the tradition of Hershel) was the right idea, at the wrong time.

Tyreese not killing the outpost guy hints that he will be more than happy to deliver personal tragedy to Tyreese in the episodes to come. Do not be surprised if he targets Judith to "finish" what he threatened. Carol will not be happy...

Tara studies Glenn occasionally. Was Abraham right about her in season 4?

Carol seems like she's an outsider, but Daryl has other plans...and now that they're going after the kidnapper-mobile, will they run into another part of the group that once terrorized Gareth's people? Will they return in time to aid Rick and the others? Or will the cast be gutted down to four or five characters by the time of the mid season finale?

 

[Vendikarr]

Spoiler: comic spoilers

It looks like they assigned Bob comic book Dale's fate. As soon as he went under the water I knew it. When they return next week I expect Bob to laugh in Gareth's face, because he had been bitten and they are eating tainted meat.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Spoiler: comic spoilers

It looks like they assigned Bob comic book Dale's fate. As soon as he went under the water I knew it. When they return next week I expect Bob to laugh in Gareth's face, because he had been bitten and they are eating tainted meat.

Do you think that's why he was crying when stadning in the dark?

 

[Vendikarr]

Spoiler: comic spoilers

It looks like they assigned Bob comic book Dale's fate. As soon as he went under the water I knew it. When they return next week I expect Bob to laugh in Gareth's face, because he had been bitten and they are eating tainted meat.

Do you think that's why he was crying when stadning in the dark?

Yes exactly.

 

[Velocity]

I think that waterwalker bit Bob, which is why he was kissing Sasha "good-bye. He was sobbing outside because he knew he was going to turn walker. I hope he is contagious in his current situation.

 

[Trekker4747]

I must say Bob looked pretty delicious.

Indeed. He looked like a nice, medium-well, Ribeye steak.

Good episode, looking forward to what more we learn about Father Gabriel. Not so much looking forward to the after-effects with the Termites. We may not be *in* Terminus but we're still going to have to apparently deal with it.

Sigh.

Still really want to know what is going on with Beth and if maybe she's with a "competing" church or something given the crosses and such on the car.

The dinner scene in the church was a nice little scene, it was also nice to seem some of the "lighter" side of Rick in this episode, particularly when he lets Judith "decide" to go with Abraham. As talked about above it's still pretty incredible Rick and everyone else is falling for Eugene's BS.

Good scenes between Rick and Carl.

Good scene between Maggie and Fist-Bump Girl.

Nice touch of humor with Glenn being Old-Glenn off-camera in the gun store.

Overall a good episode and still continuing with momentum started in the opener. I just really don't want the stuff with the surviving Termites go on too long.

The actor who plays Tyreese being on "The Talking Dead" doesn't bode well for his character. In the past it seems like actors from the show don't appear on TTD until either their character dies or production has wrapped. So, either Tyreese isn't needed on set right now because his character isn't in the episode(s) currently in production, production has wrapped for now for a break or Tyreese dies within the completed episodes so the actor isn't needed on set.

 

[Corran Horn]

oh man this is getting so nasty, it is getting difficult to watch. Was one of those guys the one that Tyreese "killed"?

Yeah, I think he's the first one Bob sees when he comes around.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

I just really don't want the stuff with the surviving Termites go on too long.

It sounds like you find it ...interminable... .

 

[Velocity]

Looking at the marks on the outside of the church, it looks to me like Gabriel did stay in the church for awhile, at least until people stopped hollering at him to let them in and trying to dig their way in. That's why he is eaten up with guilt. If he was a true priest, he wouldn't have let his fear overcome his faith.

 

[Trekker4747]

It does seem that the outpost guy was in the group.

I think that waterwalker bit Bob, which is why he was kissing Sasha "good-bye. He was sobbing outside because he knew he was going to turn walker. I hope he is contagious in his current situation.

That theory may not entirely hold true given what we've been told/seen when it comes to how the walkers are treated in the series. It's been said that everyone is already infected so Bob isn't carrying anything that the Termites don't already have.

And behind-the-scenes information has told us that people don't die from a walker-bite due to a "zombie virus" or anything along those lines they simply die from the wound, which is nastily infected from the disease being carried by the decomposing walkers. (This doesn't entirely hold-up given what we've seen and been told about how sick people get after being bitten, but it's the premise being laid out right now by the show-runners.)

While I agree that I do think Bob was bitten/scratched in some way by the water-walker and was upset because he knew he'd turn (note he had a gun on him, it was likely he was going to "opt out") I don't think his being bitten/scratched is going to have any impact on the Termites. I would also think that while he was knocked out, being tied up, and being butchered the Termites would have noticed Bob having a bite or scratch on him and would have been deterred from eating him. Unless they already know eating a bitten/scratched person who's not yet died/turned is okay.

 

[Sto-Vo-Kory]

It does seem that the outpost guy was in the group.

I think that waterwalker bit Bob, which is why he was kissing Sasha "good-bye. He was sobbing outside because he knew he was going to turn walker. I hope he is contagious in his current situation.

That theory may not entirely hold true given what we've been told/seen when it comes to how the walkers are treated in the series. It's been said that everyone is already infected so Bob isn't carrying anything that the Termites don't already have.

And behind-the-scenes information has told us that people don't die from a walker-bite due to a "zombie virus" or anything along those lines they simply die from the wound, which is nastily infected from the disease being carried by the decomposing walkers. (This doesn't entirely hold-up given what we've seen and been told about how sick people get after being bitten, but it's the premise being laid out right now by the show-runners.)

While I agree that I do think Bob was bitten/scratched in some way by the water-walker and was upset because he knew he'd turn (note he had a gun on him, it was likely he was going to "opt out") I don't think his being bitten/scratched is going to have any impact on the Termites. I would also think that while he was knocked out, being tied up, and being butchered the Termites would have noticed Bob having a bite or scratch on him and would have been deterred from eating him. Unless they already know eating a bitten/scratched person who's not yet died/turned is okay.

Yeah, I thought he was going to pull a Dualla from NuBSG: things appear to be superficially going well but inside, he's broken and ready to end it all.

 

[Morpheus 02]

I must say Bob looked pretty delicious.

So is it #BobBQor #BobKaBob?

Spoiler: comic spoilers

It looks like they assigned Bob comic book Dale's fate. As soon as he went under the water I knew it. When they return next week I expect Bob to laugh in Gareth's face, because he had been bitten and they are eating tainted meat.

Do you think that's why he was crying when stadning in the dark?

Yes exactly.

I think that waterwalker bit Bob, which is why he was kissing Sasha "good-bye. He was sobbing outside because he knew he was going to turn walker. I hope he is contagious in his current situation.

i'm with y'all...I think he's crying because he know she's gonna die soon.

I must say Bob looked pretty delicious.

The actor who plays Tyreese being on "The Talking Dead" doesn't bode well for his character. In the past it seems like actors from the show don't appear on TTD until either their character dies or production has wrapped. So, either Tyreese isn't needed on set right now because his character isn't in the episode(s) currently in production, production has wrapped for now for a break or Tyreese dies within the completed episodes so the actor isn't needed on set.

That's not always true...we've had Maggie on there before(for example), and I forget who else. Usually the dead person shows upright after the episode where they DIED airs. So the "mystery guest" might be it.

It does seem that the outpost guy was in the group.

I think that waterwalker bit Bob, which is why he was kissing Sasha "good-bye. He was sobbing outside because he knew he was going to turn walker. I hope he is contagious in his current situation.

That theory may not entirely hold true given what we've been told/seen when it comes to how the walkers are treated in the series. It's been said that everyone is already infected so Bob isn't carrying anything that the Termites don't already have.

And behind-the-scenes information has told us that people don't die from a walker-bite due to a "zombie virus" or anything along those lines they simply die from the wound, which is nastily infected from the disease being carried by the decomposing walkers. (This doesn't entirely hold-up given what we've seen and been told about how sick people get after being bitten, but it's the premise being laid out right now by the show-runners.)

While I agree that I do think Bob was bitten/scratched in some way by the water-walker and was upset because he knew he'd turn (note he had a gun on him, it was likely he was going to "opt out") I don't think his being bitten/scratched is going to have any impact on the Termites. I would also think that while he was knocked out, being tied up, and being butchered the Termites would have noticed Bob having a bite or scratch on him and would have been deterred from eating him. Unless they already know eating a bitten/scratched person who's not yet died/turned is okay.

We talked about this on another thread. What happens is 2 things. First, everyone has the zombie "virus" which turns people when they die. (And apparently helps them heal of near-death wounds within days).

But once they become Walkers, the Walker bites can spread a zombie "bacteria", which quickly kills people to make them Walkers.

(Heavy "quotes" as these a re simple-to-use terms..not scientifically accurate.

 

[Mojochi]

Finish. Killing. Enemies. Period. I don't even know why we're still having that debate & issue. I'm hoping this is resolved quickly, whatever the cost, because these twits don't have the gravitas to hold our attention for long, after the days of the Governor. I'm more annoyed by them than I'm worried for the protagonists. I'm not down on the show, because I suspect this is going to go quick, & then we'll move on to something substantial

How so? Rick, Carl, Daryl and Carol are not doctors, and by Jenner's own admission, he was not the expert. The bottom line is after all of what you list above, no one knows the "why" of the ZA plague at all, so it is not logical for the original group to take Jenner's questionable position and use that to dismiss any other theories. They are as in the dark about CDC research as anything Eugene said in S5-1.

Failure to dismiss him completely is not why I'm dissatisfied. Given the knowledge they've been exposed to, their failure to call into question anything about him or what he claims is.

Here we have an episode where Rick, almost instinctually does nothing but call into question a would be clergyman about his history, because something doesn't feel right, and rightfully so, imo. It doesn't add up well. Well, C'mon, Eugene adds up well? without any substantial questioning at all? Because why? A jock & his girlfriend say so? I'll accept that a trust in combat & survival can be built with Abe, because he has accorded himself honorably, but blind acceptance of a fool's errand is where you do some objective thinking, especially if you've been stung as much as these people

I would wager DC had more in the way of security and emergency event structures than Atlanta. If any emergency facilities / groups exist, or had a heads-up as the walker virus spread, they would not sit around, waiting to be picked off by the dead, or subjected to anarchy from opportunistic citizens.

Perhaps, but getting to that will be the most daunting thing they've ever undertaken, and they should know that. It's a metropolis. Reaching a bunker in it will be like trying to grab a goldfish in a pool full of sharks, and there hasn't even been any discussion about how they plan to contact anybody holed up in these supposed secret bunkers, or if he actually already has, & how he did it & with whom.

Then what does that say about Abraham?

That he's a dupe, an order follower, who trusts the system more than his own good sense. None of our old folks have that problem anymore. Rick's group know enough to question it. He questions people all the time. How does this guy get a pass? I kind of wish Carol wasn't going through her social struggle right now. Getting her in there to shine a spotlight on this crap is sorely needed.

You know, it seems like I'm griping a lot. These episodes haven't been that bad. The cast has been exceptionally good. Chandler Rigg's performances have been very much better this season, & I hold out hope for the season getting interesting, but there are some big holes, namely inexplicable, out of character blind acceptance, and back peddling on the kind of fortitude that some of the characters should have regarding deadly force. After the stuff that Glenn has been through, I never expected him to be lobbying to leave well enough alone with people who tried to gut him like a steer, just so we can have a round two with these guys.

Tyrese is really the only character who can play that card without too much objection from me

 

[Ryan8bit]

there are some big holes, namely inexplicable, out of character blind acceptance, and back peddling on the kind of fortitude that some of the characters should have regarding deadly force

I'm completely with you on the DC stuff and Eugene, but this show has had blind acceptance and stupid decisions plaguing it for a long time. The only way that any conflict ever arises is because of stupid decisions. The motivations for so many things are unbelievable, and it's the one thing that I wish would change, but it probably will not.

This episode has stupid decisions all over it. Forcing Gabriel to tag along, even into the water pit, was dumb. Not keeping an eye out for who's coming and going out of the church was dumb. Lessons about safety shortly before acting all safe with everybody, is dumb. And of course, zero questioning of Eugene is dumb. I agree that it's a highly entertaining show, but so many of the characters are dumb, and the situations seem contrived as a result.