New or Old Klingons?

[Hypaspist]

I personally prefer the TOS/TOS Movies personality Klingons. Intelligent and ruthless.

I have to agree. I think Martok was the closest to that that we saw in DS9. He wasn't so quick to fly off the handle.
I do agree with others that they should have showed more of the Klingons. I'd like to see an engineer of theirs fixing a major problem so that we find them more believable.

Honestly I really liked the simplicity of TOS when it came to enemies. They could have stuck with these antagonists and fleshed them out a lot more, perhaps even combining elements they would later use for Cardassians and whatnot.

 

[Anwar]

They did flesh out the Romulans a lot more in TNG. Especially episodes like "Face of the Enemy".

I'd take the Cardassians over the TOS Klingons though.

 

[scotpens]

I don't think the original look really sold "alien" as much as I think the Klingons were intended to be, and "Affliction"/"Divergence" is a perfectly serviceable way to tie everything together while not making Worf out to be a liar.

It is not a lie to keep the truth to oneself.

 

[Enterprise1701]

I prefer TNG era Klingons. I dislike the Into Darkness Klingons' design although I admit that if a future Star Trek work shows every ridge design alongside each other, I might accept the Into Darkness design.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Generally I prefer the 'unaltered' Klingons (hemQuch) although after reading KRAD's "The Unhappy Ones", I find a new appreciation for the QuchHa' variant.

Besides, bekk Jurva is a QuchHa' and I have a huge crush on her.

 

[Mudd]

JJAbrams Klingons are the scariest and most alien. Hope to see a lot more of them.

 

[werdegast]

TOS Klingons and Romulans for me.

 

[Warped9]

TOS Klingons and Romulans for me.

I can accept that the TOS Klingons were representational and that their look could be tweaked when it came to more elaborate productions, such as TMP. But then afterward I found it too drastic a change because there was no variety (in appearance). I would have liked more physical variety, such as was seen in TUC but on a more consistent basis, and everyone accepts it without some contrived rationalization simply because there was more than one race of Klingons. It would have been a far simpler and yet richer solution for the race.

After TOS the TNG era Romulans were messed up. I always thought the added bits to the makeup looked stupid. Again they simply went too far and they could have even just left it alone because there's supposed to be little physical difference between the Vulcans and Romulans. The differences were meant to be in how they behaved and how they dressed.

Sybok behaved like a non-militaristic Romulan could behave...at least if he was stoned maybe.

 

[Wingsley]

TOS Klingons didn't have enough makeup and costume effort to make them interesting enough. They were once described as cheap Fu Manchus. The Eminians in "A Taste of Armageddon" were more sophisticated looking; maybe they should've used a more-developed look like that for the Klingons.

The TMP Klingons were the opposite extreme. Wasted a lot of money on overdone makeup and costumes that barely resembled the originals. TUC Klingons were the most interesting of these "overdone" Klingons.

TNG and DS9 and VOY Klingons were overwrought Klingons. Obnoxious "the boys are back in town" Vikings who look like they spent to much time at Twisted Sister and Ozzy concerts. And as I already mentioned, they were written and portrayed by actors like an exaggerated General Urko caricature from the original PLANET OF THE APES TV show from the 70s. ENT Klingons were just goofy recycled Klingons made to look and act sillier.

JJ Klingons look like half-baked Ferengi.

The Klingons are an over-used plot device when nobody from Hollyweird can come up with an interesting, mysterious new alien race for the Starship Enterprise to encounter.

TOS Kang and Kor were the best Klingons overall. They acted like dark-skinned violent militaristic Vulcans with their cold-blooded martial logic.

The best Cold War adversary in TOS remains the Romulan commander from "Balance of Terror", and Tomalok in TNG (especially "The Enemy"). Nothing better since.

 

[johnnybear]

I too thought that The TNG Romulans looked too much alike with the added bone lines in their forehead! Even the Vulcans of TNG had it! Strange they didn't ask Mr.Nimoy to have it added to his character's forehead when he guested on TNG as well isn't it?
JB

 

[Avro Arrow]

I too thought that The TNG Romulans looked too much alike with the added bone lines in their forehead! Even the Vulcans of TNG had it! Strange they didn't ask Mr.Nimoy to have it added to his character's forehead when he guested on TNG as well isn't it?
JB

Are you sure about that? I don't recall the TNG Vulcans having them added. Selar didn't have them, and neither did Sakkath. Even "Ambassador T'Pel" didn't have them. (I tried to see if she had them after the reveal, but the screenshot is too small for me to tell.)

You may be thinking of Tallera, but I'm pretty sure she only had them because she was pretending to be Romulan.

But yeah, I agree that they should have kept the Vulcan and Romulan makeups the same, IMHO.

 

[Hypaspist]

I don't mind the Romulans having ridges but they should be a little more understated. I'd like to see more of a variety of hairstyles of both Romulans and Klingons. They, along with the Federation, are the main powers of our sector of the galaxy. They should not be afraid to have all kinds of depth and variety. I think the Ronald D Moore TNG Klingons are a little too simplistic. I think Sins of the Father is the first one where they just became balls out crazy about rituals and stuff. The Klingons in all of the episodes up until that still seemed like they could be smart as well as dangerous. The thing with Sins of the Father is that we were all so blown away by the amazing set design that we were willing to go along with anything at that point.

 

[BillJ]

I don't mind the Romulans having ridges but they should be a little more understated. I'd like to see more of a variety of hairstyles of both Romulans and Klingons. They, along with the Federation, are the main powers of our sector of the galaxy. They should not be afraid to have all kinds of depth and variety. I think the Ronald D Moore TNG Klingons are a little too simplistic. I think Sins of the Father is the first one where they just became balls out crazy about rituals and stuff. The Klingons in all of the episodes up until that still seemed like they could be smart as well as dangerous. The thing with Sins of the Father is that we were all so blown away by the amazing set design that we were willing to go along with anything at that point.

I honestly don't think Ron Moore or TNG ever improved on the very first modern series Klingon story, "Heart of Glory".

 

[Enterprise1701]

I too thought that The TNG Romulans looked too much alike with the added bone lines in their forehead! Even the Vulcans of TNG had it! Strange they didn't ask Mr.Nimoy to have it added to his character's forehead when he guested on TNG as well isn't it?
JB

Are you sure about that? I don't recall the TNG Vulcans having them added. Selar didn't have them, and neither did Sakkath. Even "Ambassador T'Pel" didn't have them. (I tried to see if she had them after the reveal, but the screenshot is too small for me to tell.)

You may be thinking of Tallera, but I'm pretty sure she only had them because she was pretending to be Romulan.

But yeah, I agree that they should have kept the Vulcan and Romulan makeups the same, IMHO.

Agreed. Abrams's crew was stupid to change the Romulan and Klingon makeup. Couldn't they have at least shown all styles next to each other?

 

[Hypaspist]

I honestly don't think Ron Moore or TNG ever improved on the very first modern series Klingon story, "Heart of Glory".

I would have to agree. There are interesting aspects to their culture afterwards, but it became more and more hard to believe as time went on.

Agreed. Abrams's crew was stupid to change the Romulan and Klingon makeup. Couldn't they have at least shown all styles next to each other?

I can't agree with that. I think Romulans looked better in the new film because they aren't so over the top. Even the Vulcans in DS9 were made to look especially ugly.

I do like the newest Klingon designs. Their appearance conveys the idea that they have a completely different way of thinking and acting. That is the most important thing to me. It's not whether they act like brutal Soviet army types or honorable mystic ninja vikings, it's that they are alien to us. Them being completely opposite reflection of Starfleet is more interesting than any amount of backstory.

 

[johnnybear]

One of the main differences between TOS and TNG Klingons was that the original actors were mostly Hispanic looking while TNG are mainly black actors! Plus the turtleheads and black swarthy wigs as well!
JB

 

[Maurice]

One of the main differences between TOS and TNG Klingons was that the original actors were mostly Hispanic looking while TNG are mainly black actors! Plus the turtleheads and black swarthy wigs as well!
JB

Define "Hispanic looking". Out of Klingon makeup most of those TOS actors look like people of Mediterranean and European descent.

 

[johnnybear]

Hispanic meaning Spanish or Latino looking actors! Tige Andrews maybe not so much or William Campbell but Kor, Krell and Kang most definitely so!
JB

 

[Anwar]

Jon Colicos' said that they were supposed to look vaguely Asian, and he told the Makeup artist to make him look like a Space-Age Genghis Khan.

 

[1001001]

JJAbrams Klingons are the scariest and most alien. Hope to see a lot more of them.

Agreed. I like thier look the best.