Jack said that they were brothers, and the Doctor laughed at him.
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So we had "I am your father", we had "I am your brother", now we are going to have "I am your son" (doesn't even fucking rhyme, get a better writer). Will we ever have "Nooooo!"?
The Invasion of Time and The Deadly Assassin seemed to portray Time Lords as a very specific caste of Galifreyan society, and a minority one at that, The majority of Galifreyans in those eps seemed to be human-like people of no particularly special abilities except that they lived in a very old and superior civilization. They even had a clan of luddites living in the wasteland outside the citadel who looked like they were heading for downright primitiveness. I think you have to be pretty special to be a Time Lord with all the super powers and privileges herein.
"I like it when you use my name."
"Are you asking me out on a date?"
"You know what happens now. You wouldn't listen. Because you know what I'm going to say... I forgive you."
"Maybe I've been wandering for too long. Now I've got someone to care for."
"Dying in your arms. Happy now?"
"You're not dying, don't be stupid, it's only a bullet. Regenerate! Come on, it can't end like this...you and me, all the things we've done..."
"All these years, you thought I was mad. King of the wasteland. But something is calling me, Doctor. What is it?"
"Oh, he loves playing with Earth girls..."
"You could be so wonderful. You're a genius. You're stone cold brilliant, you are. I swear, you really are. But you could be so much more. You could be beautiful. With a mind like that, we could travel the stars. It would be my honor. Because you don't need to own the universe - just see it. To have the privilege of seeing the whole of time and space...that's ownership enough."
"Would it stop then? The noise in my head?"
"I can help."
"I don't know what I'd be without the noise."
"I don't know what I'd be without you."
Yet, again, this is what the Doctor said to Amy: "No, you look Time Lord. We came first." He's not talking about a caste, he's talking about a species.
Maybe the the word for their species is less obnoxious in Gallifreyan?
The Doctor speaking to a human is like Captain Cook talking to the 18th century Hawaiians shortly before they killed him for being a dick.
Maybe Gallifreyan is the the Gallifreyan world for Timelord?
After ruling the universe and time for a billion relative years I could see how their planet would be regarded as the centre of time and indistinguishable from the physical act of time if all time did flow through Gallifrey.
(If their strangle hold on the Universe from bang to crunch was that strong, maybe the Daleks had a point.)
And if Gallifrey is the Gallifrean word from time, then the two parter "The End of Time" makes a fuck load more sense.
The Doctor speaking to a human is like Captain Cook talking to the 18th century Hawaiians shortly before they killed him for being a dick.
Maybe Gallifreyan is the the Gallifreyan world for Timelord?
After ruling the universe and time for a billion relative years I could see how their planet would be regarded as the centre of time and indistinguishable from the physical act of time if all time did flow through Gallifrey.
(If their strangle hold on the Universe from bang to crunch was that strong, maybe the Daleks had a point.)
And if Gallifrey is the Gallifrean word from time, then the two parter "The End of Time" makes a fuck load more sense.
Just once I wish this series would pull a "Columbo" and tell us outright who the antagonist is then work backwards. They sort of did that in "The Impossible Astronaut" but held back who the assassin was.
I've been doing some thinking on the character of Missey, and it occurred to me that if she is a returning character, that she might be a dead one. Maybe she really is in some sort of purgatory/undead dimension.
Miscellaneous.
Mission Control.
Mistress.
Missionary.
Missus.
Missed Opportunities
Mission Control.
Mistress.
Missionary.
Missus.
Missed Opportunities
Mistake(s), as in made by the Doctor.
The Dalek episode gives me hope that it's not just a female Master - how would that character get a disintegrated miniaturised character from inside a Dalek?
The Dalek episode gives me hope that it's not just a female Master - how would that character get a disintegrated miniaturised character from inside a Dalek?
But how would anyone/anything? The soldier was patently killed wasn't she, and the cyborg from Deep Breath looked pretty done for impaled like that.
To be honest the Master being able to do that makes about as much sense as anyone else doing it does.
Unless somehow the Doctor has developed, probably without even knowing it, the ability to 'save' those who die around him, much as the library computer saved people. Maybe Missy and co are all just in his head. Maybe Missy is a facet of his personality (the part about liking his new accent might suggest this) or maybe she's one of the saved, maybe she is the Master, only she's the Simm Master who died in Ten's arms rather than the ressurected version?
Yes it would be Moffat cribbing from himself, but most writers do, and maybe all the TGITFP similarities was Moffat lampsgading what he's going to do?
It's the place that feels closes to it.
To recap what's been said in this thread, in other places, and add some more.
The "Nethersphere" can be one (or a combination) of:
- The library computer
- The planet from The Girl Who Waited
- The Doctor's mind
- Gallifrey
- The Doctor's TARDIS
- A different TARDIS that has been following the Doctor
- Cybermen's hive mind
- The pathweb (INTO the Dalek, you know)
Missy can be (or a combination of):
- River Song
- The Master
- Tasha Lem
- Someone else from the papal mainframe (or a third faction)
- An unrealised regeneration of the Doctor in his mind
- The Doctor (also the Beast, or the Valeyard)
- The Doctor's TARDIS
- The Rani
- Omega
- Clara
- Bad wolf
- Davros (WHAT?)
- Susan's grandmother
- Not actually be anything at all
- One of the ladies from the McGann special
- A Cyberman, Dalek... What are you crazy?
(Not including Mary Poppins and Mycroft, but I do vote for Mycroft)
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I'm going to guess TARDIS, but not in the way you think.
The TARDIS was left on Trenzalore to rot after the Doctor's death. This TARDIS is where Clara jumped into his time stream and saved his other selves, including guiding the first Doctor to the right TARDIS to steal. When the Time Lords granted a new set of regenerations it changed everything. No dead Doctor, no rotting TARDIS on Trenzalore, no time stream jump by Clara, no guiding the first Doctor to the right TARDIS. What kind of problems would this cause? Maybe Missy is the TARDIS that should have been, but never was.
The TARDIS was left on Trenzalore to rot after the Doctor's death. This TARDIS is where Clara jumped into his time stream and saved his other selves, including guiding the first Doctor to the right TARDIS to steal. When the Time Lords granted a new set of regenerations it changed everything. No dead Doctor, no rotting TARDIS on Trenzalore, no time stream jump by Clara, no guiding the first Doctor to the right TARDIS. What kind of problems would this cause? Maybe Missy is the TARDIS that should have been, but never was.
Yeah, Missy being the path not taken might make her an interesting character. I tend to like the path not taken stories. There was one alternative suggestion for that (her being an alternative body/personality inside his mind that the Doctor didn't regenerate into). I forgot that one and added it to the list.
She didn't over-react like this in Turn Left.
We will get more "examples" but for now, we don't actually know that either of the two entities that arrived there were actually dead. Especially with the soldier, they seemed to be about to die and snatched the instant before.
I'm not sure if there's more of a point, but I wanted to mention that.
I'm not sure if there's more of a point, but I wanted to mention that.
