Vulcans and Marraiges

[xavier]

I was wondering about Vulcans, sex and marriage. Apparently for vulcans , the males and females are bonded or have some sort of arrange marriages at birth.

Is the sole purpose of this arrange marriages for pon farr only? or for the sake of having a life partner that obviously exist beyond sexual intercourse since Pon far is strictly about sex and marriages is not just about sex.

I am confused about Vulcan romantic relationships.

I get spock and amanda, it was explained in the first film, perhaps one of the best parts of the first film but what of the other vulcans. Do they marry only for pon farr or for the sake of the institution of marriage which is to have a life partner emotionally, physically and mentally and so on?

And what of Nu Spock, does he not have a vulcan wife like he did in TOS in this new films, if all vulcans gets to be bonded at birth. So is uhura officially his mistress or what?

 

[Nerys Myk]

He didn't have a Vulcan Wife in TOS. As best he had a fiancee.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

what of the other vulcans. Do they marry only for pon farr or for the sake of the institution of marriage which is to have a life partner emotionally, physically and mentally and so on?

I think it's the latter.

And while most Vulcan relationships are arranged at childhood, Sarek and Amanda's relationship is proof that Vulcans can also marry for love. I'm sure that if two adult Vulcans meet and decide they're compatible, they can marry for love as well (and yes, Vulcans do love).

As for Spock: We have no idea what happened to T'Pring in the Abrams timeline. She could be dead, or among the survivors. Anything's possible.

 

[T'Girl]

More than a fiancee, less than a wife.

 

[borgboy]

I haven't read the new comics yet, but I thought T'Pring shows up in the new timeline in the comics in some capacity. Or was that a Mirror Universe T'Pring?
I would like to see T'Pring in the movies or at least have her fate discussed. I'd expect there's a good chance she'd have died in the destruction of Vulcan. Even so, she'd probably still have been Spock's intended when he began his relationship with Uhura.
Unfortunately, this is unlikely to be addressed in the short time frame of the movies. There'd probably be at least one episode to explore this if we had a tv series.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

^ I have never read the comics but I find myself hoping that T'Pring doesn't show up. And if she is still alive, she's probably on New Vulcan anyway, and I doubt they'll go there.

Although strictly speaking she may not be bonded to Spock in the abramsverse. The divergence happened early enough that it may have even disrupted that. Assuming that Kirk and Spock are about the same age (which, IIRC, they are), Spock's life could have been different as well. He may never have even met T'Pring in the new timeline.

 

[F. King Daniel]

I remember a rumour about concept art for a female Vulcan being spied on Bob Orci's iPad during production of STID. I suspect, if true at all, that art was actually for the female Vulcan character in Star Trek: The Videogame.

As for Spock's marital status... at the end of ST'09 Spock was going to resign and head to New Vulcan to help rebuild their race (i.e. make lots and lots of babies) until Elder Spock said he'd take care of it. Dirty old man.

 

[M'Sharak]

I am confused about Vulcan romantic relationships.

I'm confused about what you actually intended to have discussed in this thread.

You have at least two distinct topics in your opening post, possibly three. If this is to be about Vulcans and marriage generally, the thread should have been posted in General Trek. If it's to be about arranged marriages and pon farr, that would also go in General Trek. If it's to be about nuUhura's status in relation to nuSpock, then you're in the right forum but you've got a lot of tidying-up to do on your topic.

Pick one direction in which you want discussion to proceed and put your focus on that, rather than tossing out a jumble of loosely-related questions with no clear direction.

 

[The Wormhole]

I haven't read the new comics yet, but I thought T'Pring shows up in the new timeline in the comics in some capacity. Or was that a Mirror Universe T'Pring?

Abramsverse T'Pring does show up in the After Darkness storyline, the story arc which picks up immediately after STID ended.

 

[T'Girl]

I was wondering about Vulcans, sex and marriage. Apparently for vulcans , the males and females are bonded or have some sort of arrange marriages at birth.

T'Pol wasn't bonded as a child and didn't enter into an arranged marriage until she was in her fifties, Tuvok also wasn't bonded as a child, it's unclear if his marriage was arranged..

So all Vulcans aren't bonded as children as was the case with Spock. It wouldn't be hard to see some Vulcans selecting their own spouses.

So is uhura officially his mistress or what?

Mistress? I think no, she just his high maintenance girlfriend.

 

[xavier]

I was wondering about Vulcans, sex and marriage. Apparently for vulcans , the males and females are bonded or have some sort of arrange marriages at birth.

T'Pol wasn't bonded as a child and didn't enter into an arranged marriage until she was in her fifties, Tuvok also wasn't bonded as a child, it's unclear if his marriage was arranged..

So all Vulcans aren't bonded as children as was the case with Spock. It wouldn't be hard to see some Vulcans selecting their own spouses.

So is uhura officially his mistress or what?

Mistress? I think no, she just his high maintenance girlfriend.

I always viewed tpol as some kind of Vulcan rebel, in fact she reminds me of nu spock a bit, although nu spock seems to be a rebel at the right time and for a good cause like he turning down the Vulcan science academy after the vulcan council acted prejudice against him and him agreeing on Nero's death sentence.

I do however think it is kind of generic, childish and shallow to see some female fans attack uhura because she is dating spock in this timeline or whatever. this girls kind of remind me of boy band erratic female fans who attack their girlfriends by calling them high maintenance or whatever. I was hoping this board had some kind of maturity, that is why I can here and left other boards like tumblr and imdb. Can we drop the Uhura bashing please. Its too generic.

Spock must have told Uhura about his wife before they became romantically linked otherwise that will be very illogical from his part.

NU Spock seems more aggressive and liberated than TOS Spock. I do not think he will be down for arrange marriages for the sake of pon farr or the Vulcan tradition.

This is why I wish the new trek was a new 3 part mini series like Sherlock, There will be so much interesting story lines to cover what one film can not just do.

 

[Malaika]

Pon farr clearly is something the vulcans fear so it makes sense that parents find a mate for their children and bond them at 7. That way, they give to them, from their perspective, a way to survive pon farr especially in case they fall ill without having chosen a significant other on their own that can help them.

I think, though, that when they become adults they are given the choice to find a different mate if they want (though, males seem more free than the females...) so not all the relationships are arranged/forced things...Sarek/Amanda for instance, but also Tuvok and his wife...
They can fall in love and choose accordingly and it's quite logical to be with someone you love compared to someone you don't (Sarek's 'i married her b/c it was logical' wasn't really a lie* ) If you think about it, it makes sense that they'd still encourage free will. Someone you love and who loves you is a better choice for a mate than a stranger who doesn't really want you and might say 'no' when you're in need and make you fight with another at the risk of your life, either way.
Being with someone you love and who loves you back makes for a longer relationship and thus better chances of survival in the long term.

They actually seem to take relationships more seriously than us and are quite monogamous for a race whose life span is so long.
I also wonder how telepathy plays in the relationships...in the comics Spock mentions a mind meld he wants to do with Uhura called 'emafa kito' that he describes as something vulcan couples do ( i think that differently from a normal meld, it goes both sides and both parties must be willing to share)
Somehow, the idea of the vulcans being turned on by minds and that being the equivalent of getting into someone's pants amuses me.

As for nu t'pring, in the comics he had ended the thing with her and made them both free to choose another when he left vulcan for the academy. That was even before he met Uhura.
The comic even implies that after what happened to their planet, vulcans are in need to revalutate and let go of some of their old traditions now because they realize that they are illogical and don't really help their people.
I think their society might now evolve differently than prime vulcans and future children won't have to endure the arranged bonds thing anymore.

 

[xavier]

I remember a rumour about concept art for a female Vulcan being spied on Bob Orci's iPad during production of STID. I suspect, if true at all, that art was actually for the female Vulcan character in Star Trek: The Videogame.

As for Spock's marital status... at the end of ST'09 Spock was going to resign and head to New Vulcan to help rebuild their race (i.e. make lots and lots of babies) until Elder Spock said he'd take care of it. Dirty old man.

Elder Spock is like how old now. 129 years? he surely can not reproduce unless vulcan men have some seroius magical sperm. I do however get the feeling that elder spock regretted some of his decision at his young age when it came to women.

 

[xavier]

I remember a rumour about concept art for a female Vulcan being spied on Bob Orci's iPad during production of STID. I suspect, if true at all, that art was actually for the female Vulcan character in Star Trek: The Videogame.

As for Spock's marital status... at the end of ST'09 Spock was going to resign and head to New Vulcan to help rebuild their race (i.e. make lots and lots of babies) until Elder Spock said he'd take care of it. Dirty old man.

Elder Spock is like how old now. 129 years? he surely can not reproduce unless vulcan men have some seroius magical sperm. I do however get the feeling that elder spock regretted some of his decision at his young age when it came to women.

Sorry huge computer error. this post has already be posted.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Well some human males have viable sperm late in life. James Doohan's youngest child was born when he was abut 80. Tony Randall also had children in his late 70s/80s.

 

[2takesfrakes]

http://cdn.worldheritage.org/articles/James_Doohan

According to the World Heritage Encyclopedia, though, Jimmy Doohan's last child was not his biological daughter:

"Doohan and Braunberger had three children: Eric, Thomas, and Sarah in 2000 (using a sperm donor due to his health problems), around his 80th birthday."

http://cdn.worldheritage.org/articles/James_Doohan#Personal_life

 

[borgboy]

I've heard of men over 90 fathering a child. Vulcans live around 250 years, and who knows what fertility treatments are available to him, with advanced Vulcan science and Federation medicine in the 23rd century.
I'm pretty curious to see who Spock's new wife would be.

 

[T'Girl]

I do however think it is kind of generic, childish and shallow to see some female fans attack uhura because she is dating spock in this timeline or whatever.

A big piece of the criticism against nuUhura in the penultimate movie was that she was engage in a affair with Spock while she was his student, the assumption being she was screwing him for grades and favoritism.

When she wasn't assigned to the ship she preferred, she when to her lover for reassignment, instead of going to the first officer of the ship she had been assigned to, who she probably wasn't sleeping with.

When she felt that Spock needed some "huggy time," Uhura simply walked away from her post on the bridge and took a lift ride with her lover.

Can we drop the Uhura bashing please.

No.

high maintenance

In the last movie, after Spock risked his life to save thousand of lives, Uhura bitched him out for not first thinking about HER and his relationship with HER, while Spock's commanding officer was seated only a few feet away.

High maintenance describes the character perfectly.

Spock must have told Uhura about his wife before they became romantically linked otherwise that will be very illogical from his part.

If it was Spock's intent to pursue a sexual affair with Uhura, how would telling her about his arranged marriage assist in accomplishing that goal? Telling her wouldn't be logical at all.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I do however think it is kind of generic, childish and shallow to see some female fans attack uhura because she is dating spock in this timeline or whatever.

A big piece of the criticism against nuUhura in the penultimate movie was that she was engage in a affair with Spock while she was his student, the assumption being she was screwing him for grades and favoritism.

When she wasn't assigned to the ship she preferred, she when to her lover for reassignment, instead of going to the first officer of the ship she had been assigned to, who she probably wasn't sleeping with.

When she felt that Spock needed some "huggy time," Uhura simply walked away from her post on the bridge and took a lift ride with her lover.

That's a rather sad commentary, by who ever made such statements, on their opinion of women. The idea that Uhura was a brilliant student and impressed Spock isn't possible? Or that the relationship began after the course ended? (Spock doesn't seem to be an instructor in ST09) Or that maybe Spock's reason for assigning Uhura to the Farragut was in error and he corrected it?

 

[Shaka Zulu]

^For my part, people just don't like interracial relationships between blacks and whites-that's all there is to it. And most people don't like this one.