the torpedo hit in STIII

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies I-X' started by xvicente, May 29, 2013.

  1. Timo

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    This would essentially mean that shields indeed are raised, or at least dropped, in a spiraling manner in ST2... A bit funny-looking but possible. (Perhaps the spiraling only happens when one sabotages the shields from outside with a remote command?)

    It would also mean that the shields in ST6 are different, as they consist of much wider sectors and seem to have a bit of layering as well.

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  2. publiusr

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    I think there was a warlike group (not klingons) who did some damage--some other conflict on the way back.

    The impulse crystal handles antimatter, so the torp was too much from the wrong angle--but weakened a full detonation from the torp in doing so--rather like a fuse.

    Now, me, I consider that not to be a torpedo at all, as we saw in ST:TUC. In ST III the effects shots look to me to be a large spine mount disruptor.
     
  3. Timo

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    The diffuse green ball of fire is seen on several occasions: ST3, ST5 and ST:GEN. It consistently creates rather minimal damage, but results in crucial internal system failures. And in ST3, it is very explicitly referred to as a "torpedo" - or at least Kruge orders "Stand by torpedoes" and as the result of this, Sulu thinks he is "arming torpedoes".

    So I very much consider it a torpedo - but one optimized for the sort of warfare a "space submarine" might plausibly wage. It disables weak ships and allows raiding, making the BoP an excellent tool in mercantile warfare. Against capital ships, it's basically worse than nothing, but then again, none of our Klingon skippers thought they would survive the fight with their Starfleet opponent.

    The BoP from ST6 is of course a different matter: she is equipped with Federation star cruiser torpedoes, because she pretends to be the Enterprise! However, it would seem Admiral Cartwright chose to give his Klingon counterpart only low-yield torpedoes, sufficient for the very specific needs of the assassination, but nearly useless in the fight against Kirk in the end.

    Basically, standard BoPs have Tasers; Chang's BoP packs a Derringer instead.

    Does it, now? The one on Archer's ship isn't even directly connected to any of the known antimatter bits. And the one on Khan's doesn't really seem to mind being blown to bits by phaser fire.

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  4. Therin of Andor

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    Of course, those of us who'd been following the post-ST II adventures, via DC Comics, knew that there were several repairs and battles between the two movies.
     
  5. publiusr

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    And there is an actual torpedo tube on the model. In ST III there looks to be a strange cover over the tube, and coruscating patterns of energy before a discharge--as opposed to the red ball of death.

    So was the BoP model changed for ST6? Or was that a cobra head only miniature?
     
  6. Maurice

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    I seem to recall Bill George saying there was a motorized mechanism that rotated there, and that it broke and was removed in subsequent outings, but I'll have to remember to ask him again next time I see him.
     
  7. publiusr

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    Please do. I really liked that effect.
     
  8. Jon1701

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    You know, I always though the damage to the port side disppeared at the end of the movie but thanks to the blu rays you can still see the damage.

    There does look like some dull scarring under the saucer on the starboard side but it does look hard to see. You'd be forgiven for thinking its a shadow.

    http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/twokhd/twokhd1134.jpg
     
  9. RyanKCR

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    It is just a shadow. No marks there in the Search For Spock:
    http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/tsfshd/tsfshd0643.jpg

    http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/tsfshd/tsfshd0937.jpg

    http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/tsfshd/tsfshd1066.jpg
     
  10. Jon1701

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    Ah, my mind was playing tricks with the scarring. Wrong side.

    Mind you, there is nothing under the saucer at the end of TWOK.

    I suppose, they either cleaned up the model between II & III and forgot where the markes were (unlikely) or they used artistic license in III to emphasise the damage making it more likely that Starfleet would want to scrap her.