Starships underwater WTF???

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies I-X' started by King Daniel Beyond, Dec 13, 2012.

  1. Peach Wookiee

    Peach Wookiee Cuddly Mod of Doom Moderator

    May 12, 2001
    Peach Wookiee
    "We're off to outer space, to save the human race!"
  2. Metryq

    Metryq Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Jan 23, 2013
    Have you seen the 2010 live action movie (the source of the above screen cap)? It is remarkably true to the original, yet improves the entire story with subtle changes. For example, in the original the Gamilons were blue-skinned humanoids. Since they were modifying Earth to suit their needs, you'd think there must be billions of other planets to choose from between the LMG and here. Why Earth? The movie answers that question.
  3. Triskelion

    Triskelion Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Space Battleship Yamato 2010

    God bless Marlon Brando and Ronald D. Moore. S'all I'm saying.

    For actors, Marlon, in the words of Jack Nicholson, "Set us free." You don't get it until you see movie cultures that never got that influence; everything is so scripted and spoon-fed. So archetypal and wooden. So corpsed.

    With Moore, of course, you get the realism of Battlestar Galactica - not that trite Power Ranger future that was past it half a century ago.

    But Japan had Kurosawa and Mifune, so not sure what happened there. Did it not translate to Sci Fi? And please don't say Ghost in the Shell. Almost but not quite.
  4. Metryq

    Metryq Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Jan 23, 2013
    ^ Huh? Are you commenting on the original SPACE BATTLESHIP YAMATO anime, or the live action movie? "Translate to sci-fi"? Are you suggesting that Western-made "sci-fi" movies are any less "fantastic" or loose with the laws of physics?
  5. Triskelion

    Triskelion Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    It's not a contest. Nor are artistic boundaries as black and white as those on maps.

    Give me writing and acting over FX any day of the year. Hang a story on people, not costumes with speaking roles.

    And I'm sorry but the costuming in that live action movie reminds me of MST3K's Invasion of the Neptune Men.

    Other people can do whatever they want. If it were me I would stop designing for 1950's children.

    Oh, and I have watched enough media from around the world to be able to say "God bless Marlon Brando." But then again I appreciate cultural influences and don't pretend it's the same everywhere.
  6. Metryq

    Metryq Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Jan 23, 2013
    Contest? Boundaries? You're still not making much sense. Maybe the costumes from the anime (mid-'70s) were influenced by 1950s movies. The live action film kept the general designs to please the fans. Also, the action and FX segments of the movie were judiciously brief. And if all you got out of the movie was the superficial dialog, then you missed the vast bulk of the movie.

    I will grant that American-made movies are very popular elsewhere in the world—which is why multi-standard home video players are so common outside the US, but not in the US.

    In college I met an Indian graduate student studying television production. I asked what led him to that US university. He asked, "Have you ever watched any Bollywood movies on TV some Sunday morning?"—meaning he didn't like them, either.
  7. Triskelion

    Triskelion Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Yeah, you seem to be missing some of my points. Sorry about that.

    But hey, even bad sci fi is good, right?
  8. Metryq

    Metryq Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Jan 23, 2013
    Sorry, I'm not that gracious. I'm actually a grouch. And a firm believer in both Sturgeon's Law and the Critic's Corollary! ;)

    If the score is good, then I will probably like a movie more than I otherwise would.
  9. Kolrad

    Kolrad Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Feb 23, 2002
    Professor Farnsworth: Good Lord! That's over five thousand atmospheres of pressure!
    Philip J. Fry: How many atmospheres can the ship withstand?
    Professor Farnsworth: Well, it was built for space travel, so I'd say anywhere between zero and one.