Plot hole city: Part II!

No difference.

Not mine, the writers'

The writers. The writers and producers of every incarnation of Trek make their own retcons and changes. It's always been this way. Watch how Voyager slowed down warp speed to suit it's story, after TOS and the movies repeatedly crossed the galaxy at a whim.

Wrong. Totally. Enterprise makes it abundantly clear that the TOS/TNG/DS9/VOY timeline is the result of multiple unrepaired time travels. Watch "Azati Prime", where the Enterprise-J takes part in a war against the Sphere Builders in the Expanse of the 26th century, then see Archer destroy the entire Delphic Expanse 400 years early in "Zero Hour". By that standard, STXI's alternate history is nothing major, either

 

Trek works brilliantly as this enourmous "vague history", but it requires suspension of disbelief for any of it to fit together.

If you try and take it all literally, it breaks down as soon as you start to wonder how the classic Trek crew get any useful information from unlabelled blinking coloured squares on their control panels. Or, if we're complaining about time travels, how beaming Captain Christopher into his earlier self fixed history in "Tomorrow is Yesterday"

 

Nope.

That's not what "canon" means.

It's not what "plot hole" means either. Do you know what a plot hole or plot inconsistency is?

In any event, Star Trek has been self-contradictory from the beginning. JJTrek is solidly within the Star Trek tradition of being consistent except when it's not.

 

I don't know why, this made me lol.

 

I did used to wonder that - lol. For TMP they even went so far as to give the switches a particular control to help the actors but how an on-off switch is going to be much use for most of the ship's functions is anybody's guess. It's so cool when you think that just 40 odd years ago touchscreen tech was so advanced that they couldn't even conceive it! Still, which came first: the PADD or the ipad? One for Star Trek methinks.

 

Yeah, but did the PADD have "Angry Birds"? I think not!

 

They are one and the same.

 

I just wanna say....

"...Good Night Thread..." at this point, while I still can...

(http://www.trekbbs.com/showpost.php?p=5214161&postcount=206)

 

I agree. To reconcile it all with a theory that there are different types of time travel that produce different results. A person can travel back and forth within their own universe without creating a parallel universe or alternate time line but then sometimes that is what happens and time travel will create a parallel universe or alternate time line.

 

I don't agree.

 

They called it an "alternate reality" in the film, which could mean either.

 

Star Trek uses the terms interchangeably. Mirror T'Pol used the term "alternate reality" when describing the parallel universe the USS Defiant (from "The Tholian Web") came from in "In a Mirror, Darkly"

 

Angry Horta?

 

No, they are wholly seperate concepts.

An alternate timeline is created when the Enterprise-C goes missing at Narendra III, a pivitol moment in history-- or a fixed point as they call them in Doctor Who. When something is supposed to happen historically at that point and doesn't, or something else happens, it creates an alternate timeline.

An alternate universe is similar, but it doesn't require a change in history, there just needs to be a noticiable difference. The only difference between the main Star Trek universe and the Mirror Universe is that most everyone there is darker, more selfish, and generally considered "evil" by our standards. But, theres apparently no historical alteration to the timeline that would cause this. Phlox, who had studied a lot of earth history for some reason found that only the works of William Shakespeare were the same.

The 'Abramsverse' is an alternate timeline. Something in history was changed and we're lead to believe that the characters are fundamentally the same, ignoring some new experiences brought on by the addition of the Narada and Nero to that universe to that point in history.

 

^Who says we simply haven't seen the point of divergeance between the prime and mirror universes, far in the past?

 

It did, but when the Horta were revealed to be intelligent, space hippies cried herbert and deemed the game was offensive. The game was then removed.

 

Go watch the scene again. They fall 4 feet to the ground in less than 1/4 of a second.

But once again, what makes this instance of time travel different than any other? Why does Braxton have to "correct" the history that Voyager alters by travelling through time, but not Nero? Don't they both create alternate universes/timelines?

Is there any real difference? They're both fiction anyway.

But the Sphere Builders would have used time travel to grossly distort history, so destroying the Delphic Expanse resulted in the least amount of disruption to the timeline

 

Bullshit, and you know it

 

I've wondered if a penetration from one reality couldn't possibly perhaps be not just have an effect on positive linear progress in time but also have a retro causations.

That would explain at least why Kelvin looks so much more different than the Standard Federation ships at the time.

 

It looked like a realistic, big budget version of TOS to me.

I mean - does a Gorn really look like a guy in a rubber suit? Does a starship really look like plywood sets with pictures of space phenomena stuck up on the walls? Or are we just seeing a 1960's TV representaton of the 23rd century, which we're now seeing via a big budget movie in the late 2000's?