Orci, Kurtzman and Lindelof should not Return.

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies: Kelvin Universe' started by Cara007, Nov 1, 2013.

  1. Crisp Crinkle

    Crisp Crinkle Admiral Admiral

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    I can get on board with some disappointment in Uhura's portrayal in the Kronos scenes.

    OK, what if Uhura had gotten the Klingons to join Kirk and company in looking for Harrison, and they all assaulted Khan together? She gets her moment to shine as the Great Communicator in a way that both materially advances the story and hits one of the highbrow notes supposedly intrinsic to Star Trek, in this instance of resolving potential conflicts peacefully whenever possible (in this case, with the Klingons). Plus, Fuck Yeah! is served by the follow-up assault on an Evil Supergenius who's Had Time to Prepare, and which I can assure you I would have made even More Awesome!

    As a Monday morning quarterback/armchair screenwriter with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight, I can say that I'd probably have preferred that to what we got. However, I think that the writers' intent was to show Uhura succeeding, but then get foiled by Khan (edit - though, I'll admit that my memory is fuzzier than I like to admit).
     
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  2. Shaka Zulu

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    Like I said before, these people are foundamentalists stuck at the original moment of Star Trek who can't let it progress, hoping that Roddenberry will come back from the grave and dazzle all of us with his great writing.:rolleyes:
     
  3. M'Sharak

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    Okay, let's stick from here on to talking about the movies and the people who are involved in making them - Orci, Kurtzman and Lindelof, for example. Let the commentary on fans and fan groups drop, please.
     
  4. BigJake

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    True. Also a super-low bar, but technically true.

    I liked the way this played in ST09.

    (edit: attribution fixed)

    Yeah, you know, I really thought something along this line was the kind of scenario they were building up to. Well, the road not taken and all that...

    * Looking at my beautiful 4,000-word screed about how my Undead Clone of Gene Roddenberry was going to Wield the White Flame and purify the universe of NuTrek Infidels. Sighs wistfully. Hits delete. *

    It's for the best.
     
  5. Commishsleer

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    I too would have liked Uhura to succeed. There was such a lead-up. You know Spock insisting to Kirk that Uhura can do it.
    And I would have liked the scene to be used to reveal why Khan was there anyway. I know some people say use your own imagination. I'm just not that good. I would like a bigger hint. They could have used the scene to have them find out a little more of Khan's plan and have Uhura look like an asset even if she at some stage is foiled by Khan.
    That being said, the main stars of the movie by far are Kirk, Spock and Khan. Uhura and the others are definitely second tier. If Uhura 'saved' the day then maybe Khan, Kirk and Spock wouldn't have looked so awesome.
     
  6. RAMA

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    STID was the highest rated and reviewed major release of the whole year as of the last time I looked in Sept. Also, $1 billion+ in revenue later between box office and dvd/bluray for two movies, and there is no reason to get rid of these writers...period.

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  7. Kemaiku

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    Exactly.

    Extremely profitable movie, 90% approval rating, much of the 10% non-approval from fundementalist fans not the major audience, most successful outing of a franchise for a studio in many years etc etc

    Yeah I think they know what they're doing, this writing team managed in a short time what Berman couldn't live up to in three or four times that span.

    I for one want them to stick around.
     
  8. BigJake

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    Oh, just one little slice of manna:

    The Risen Roddenberry shall Smite You! His Vengeance Cometh, and That Right Soon! Lo, He Bringeth the Seven Mugatos and the Seven Tribbles to Render Judgement upon the Quick and the Redshirted!

    There's more where that came from, don't make me bust it out...

    (Me, I'm the kind of "fundamentalist" who wants some of that Gravity-type cheddar where you get great universally-acclaimed and highly-profitable action movies whose writing and directing doesn't need defending from anyone. But if we have to go through one more round of Orci & Co. to get that chance, hey. Whatevs.)
     
  9. Ryan8bit

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    It's not anymore. It's still relatively high on user ratings, but is currently at #100 on Rotten Tomatoes for critic ratings, and #19 for user ratings at IMDB. But it doesn't have to be #1 for the writing team to come back.

    However, it's clearly not "extremely profitable," otherwise they wouldn't be cutting the budget. Extremely profitable would be something like Gravity since it had half the budget and has already topped STID.
     
  10. Jeyl

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    I'd like to see what Uhura would do if she were put in a situation where she's alone, without help and has only herself to rely on. You know? The kind of situations that shows a character's vulnerability, weakness and potential catastrophic decision making? No, we can't have that with someone like Uhura because we don't want her to appear weak. If you look at Ripley in ALIEN, she does have her weak moments. Even with a flame thrower in hand and a ship that's about to blow up, you can easily tell she's scared out of her mind. She doesn't know where the alien is, but she must keep going if she wants to survive. It's a genuine struggle. For Uhura, the only struggle that she has to overcome is not fretting over Spock.
     
  11. BillJ

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    If they put her in that situation alone, you'd be in here complaining that the scene was done that way because the writers didn't want her showing up the men.

    One thing I've noticed, some people will never, ever be happy.
     
  12. King Daniel Beyond

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    It's the same "budget cut" that Superman Vs. Batman is getting - and frankly, if it's good enough for icons like them it's good enough for Star Trek.
     
  13. Ovation

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    That would be fine if the movie was about Uhura as the central character. But she's not (nor will she be). Star Trek is the Kirk and Spock show. As it should be. TNG, DS9, and the rest are ensembles? Great--that's how they were conceived. And that is something usually (not always) better served as a TV series, not a movie.
     
  14. Happy Xmas (War Is Over)

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    TNG was pretty much the Picard, Data and sometimes Worf show. The others got a few scraps tossed their way from time to time.
     
  15. BillJ

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    Especially once we got to the feature films. Did Crusher or Troi do anything notable at all, in any of them?
     
  16. Crisp Crinkle

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    There were a few Geordi episodes, a few Crusher episodes, etc., but the fact that we recognize them as such proves the rule to which they were the exceptions.
     
  17. BigJake

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    Uh... what does this even mean?
     
  18. BigJake

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    Always thought of the main triple-act in TNG being Picard, Riker, Data, with the rest of the ensemble orbiting around them at various distances.
     
  19. King Daniel Beyond

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    That a huge franchise crossover like that needs to take a relocation budget cut in order to remain profitable, it's hardly a big deal that the same is happening to Trek.
     
  20. JarodRussell

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    Oh, the great possibilities of the reboot! Make everything fresh and new and do stuff that hasn't been done before!


    And last time I checked, TOS was the Kirk, McCoy and Spock show. Especially the movies.