Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by Chris3123, Apr 25, 2014.
^ It's pronounced Ewwww ... for a reason.
The fact that it is Miller and Luceno writing the first two novels has me really excited as both have written some of my favorite star wars novels
...and a hundred nerds cried out in agony...
Never followed the EU. Tried a few Star Wars books when they first came out, but they didn't strike a cord. Maybe I'll give the new ones a go.
i always struggled with Star Wars novels for some reason. read tons of em, only really enjoyed a handful. last good one i read was Darth Plagueis.
How can the movies by J. J. Abrams have caused this?
Think you need to leave trekbbs and read up on the roles of producers, writers and directors.
But I'll give you a hint. In this instance, Abrams is merely telling the performers what to do, the camera operators how he wants scenes shot etc. Sure he has a big roll in the casting but much the story, writing and decision to decanonise the EU had nothing to do with him.
It would have still have happened if Steven Spielberg or Nicholas Meyer or even George Lucas himself was going to direct.
And frankly if it hadn't happened, people like you would be jumping and down complain about how the new movies contradicted what was in the EU.
It's the latest-set in the EU continuity with the "big three" as main characters. The "Legacy" comics of course happen after that timeline-wise.
Two "Empire and Rebellion" books were released after "Crucible" but before this continuity 'reboot'. The third book, focusing on Luke, (named "Heir to the Jedi") will be part of the new continuity.
I will admit that I'm curious to see how this new EU (good lord, I almost typed 'EU universe' ) develops. While I've followed the original one since the mid-'90s, it'll be nice to be able to get in on the ground floor with this one.
I just hope Troy Denning won't have as much involvement as he had in the last one.
I've read a LOT this morning about this news and NOBODY ANYWHERE has even brought up the whole "different levels of canon" thing. The loudest bleeters and whiners are acting as if EVERYTHING produced for the EU was ALWAYS canon.
Newsflash - it WASN'T.
Therefore, de-canonizing it means a lot of it is at exactly the SAME spot as it was yesterday.
Holy crap, talk about first world problems. I'd like to take some of you whingers back to 1983 when all I had was waiting for a new issue of Starlog to arrive at my school library and I spent half my lunch hour photocopying pages to mass-consume at my leisure. You people don't know how well you have it!
Not yet they don't.
Give 'em time.
I'm sure the next Magic wrist bands at WDW include SOME way of affecting neural waves or something!
I think this was probably needed at this point.
Personally, I felt things got off the rails after "Legacy of the Force".
I very much enjoyed the EU and nobody is burning the books I have. I'll enjoy both continuities.
They won't. They won't recreate a character like Mara Jade. Or Kal Skirata, Corran Horn, Tycho Clechu, Winter, Rogue Squadron, Wraith Squadron, Delta/Omega Commando Squads, the Null Commandoes, Jaina Solo, Ben Skywalker, Kyp Durron, Thrawn, Tenel Ka and more, many I enjoy more than Han, Luke and Leia (although I enjoy the "big three" a lot, too). They are throwing characters many fans have grown invested in over years down the toilet so that disney can churn out some corporate controlled crap. At least the people screwing Star Trek's corpse let me keep reading about Picard & co.
Also, I won't let up on Abrams. He already destroyed Star Trek, now he has Star Wars in his clutches. Sure, he's not the only factor in the destruction of either franchise (movie companies wanting to turn these great franchises into the next transformers is probably the biggest reason for their destruction) but he's a part of it, and he's a common denominator in the death of two of the greatest sci fi franchises.
At least if he wasn't around we might have gotten some halfway decent Star wars movies as consolation to them destroying the main reason I love the franchise. Instead, its just guaranteed to be Transformers-like action crap (which, when it comes to Sci Fi, is obviously all Abrams is capable of, or cares to do). Its like getting punched in the face, and then kicked in the groin just to rub it in. I don't care if he's only a director, as Nolan and Bay proved, Directors have A LOT of influence on their movies. Plus, Abrams is listed as one of the screenplay writers for episode 7, so he's going to have an even more direct hand on ruining Star Wars.
Its not about preconceptions. Character I like are getting thrown away because the people in charge are a bunch of a-holes. They should have kept the books as a different universe. By "checking it out", I'm just reading some idiots writing about a bunch of characters that are nothing like the ones I enjoy. Oh, if the library gets books any I might read them, but then again I also watched Star Trek: Into Darkness and The Dark Knight Rises. I have a bad habit of my nerdiness making me suffer through things I know I'll hate, just because I loved the franchises before they got destroyed.
If it hadn't happened, then I wouldn't give a s&^t about the movies. If the books stayed as their own universe, then the real star wars would survive. I wouldn't have to pay any attention to how badly JJ Abrams and the idiot writers prove that even Lucas at his worst is more skilled then them. I could enjoy the possibility of reading about my favorite characters.
Instead, every fan of the EU (and there are a lot of them, as evidenced by the fact that the EU has survived for so long, no matter what the EU haters say), are being completely screwed. It wouldn't have hurt to keep the old EU around around. The vast majority of SW movie fans, like many people, probably don't read books regularly anyway. The EU has lasted a long time on fan support. The people who read the books are the big fans, the ones that movies don't need to worry about, but tie-in material like books definitely do.
Instead, we get Disney giving the middle finger to the Sci Fi fans who enjoy the Star Wars EU, and they know they can get away with it. I wish they'd just stop making books, its better than punching EU fans and then throwing poo at them and expecting them to buy it.
The EU has always been shite. Ever since the announcement of the new movies, this is what I was hoping and waiting for. Good on Disney for sweeping aside the cream of the crap. (I wouldn't mind if they disavowed Episodes I-III though.)
I'm curious to find out what Kirk55555 thought would happen to the EU when new movies were announced?
I find it hilarious they've hired James Luceno to write one of the new books, when his main power as an author is regurgitating EU facts.
But the real question is, are the Ewok Adventure films still canon?
Ever since the New Jedi Order ended the EU novels have been more miss than hit. The last two series, Legacy of the Force and Fate of the Jedi were bloated messes. I have all the Fate books but I haven't been able to bring myself to read the last 4 books. I barely managed to get through Legacy. So I welcome the new EU.
Maybe he thought that the script writer was going to be expected to read all of them and ensure his film was consistent with them? Then in the film itself, instead of the traditional opening crawl, the crawl would appear every four minutes to explain some complex backstory to the viewer.
More seriously what EU fan more than likely really hates is all that triva they have learnt over the years is worthless, so when they talk to a normal person and say "well you see 40 years after Return of the Jedi, Dark Jockstrap hunted for the rampo crystal and he's the son of the second cousin of the guy who refueled Luke's X-wing".
The normal person can quite rightly say "what the fuck are you talking about? None of that happened?" *
* although most normal people only ever said that already.
Thank the Midichlorians that they are. Those characters and concepts served their purpose. At this point, including them in new stories is pure rehash. Starting fresh with the EU lets writers use the best elements of those characters in new, fresh stories. And they won't be tied down the minutiae of used up characters.
Agreed. The original EU has played itself out and then some. It's done. Time to move on.
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