La-La Land to release 15-disc original series score set

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  1. OneBuckFilms

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    I think the Black Friday announcement will be the full press release, track listing etc.

    Black Friday is generally when they make the announcement, not the release date.
     
  2. Esteban

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    I see the event at the Egyptian is sold out already.

    Bless the Fans.
     
  3. TREK_GOD_1

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    The most exciting ST event in years....and it is not a film or TV show.

    Who would have guessed that.
     
  4. ScottDS

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    Over at the Film score Monthly forum, La-La Land gave us the track listing for disc 1.

    SEASON 1, DISC 1

    The Cage
    Music Composed and Conducted by Alexander Courage
    Episode #1, Recorded 1/21/65

    1. Main Title* M10 1:00
    2. Dr. Bartender M11 1:23
    3. Survivors M21 1:45
    4. Prime Specimen/Bottled M22–30/M31 5:08
    5. Probing/Monster Illusion/Monster Fight/The Kibitzers M41/M42/M43/M44 5:40
    6. Long Look/Vina’s Punishment M45/M51 2:02
    7. Pike’s Punishment M52 0:36
    8. The Picnic M53 2:17
    9. True Love M61 1:24
    10. Vina’s Dance M62 1:56
    11. Torchy Girl/Under the Spell/Primitive Thoughts M63/M71/M72 1:10
    12. Wrong Think M73 0:43
    13. To Catch a T. M74 1:24
    14. Going Up M75 1:10
    15. Max’s Factor M81 2:12
    16. Who Was Eve? & End Credits* M82 1:32

    Total Time: 32:01

    *Contains “Theme From Star Trek (TV Series)” by Alexander Courage and Gene Roddenberry

    Where No Man Has Gone Before
    Music Composed and Conducted by Alexander Courage
    Episode #2, Recorded 11/29/65
    Aired #3, 9/22/66

    17. Beyond the Pale (No Man Before)/Main Title M11/M12 1:06
    18. Act 1 Card M13 0:37
    19. Episode Titles M14 1:23
    20. Force Field/Silver Orbs (Zooms Past) M15–20/M21 4:06
    21. Crippled Ship M22 0:56
    22. The Patient/Speedy Reader M23/M24 1:49
    23. Some Corpse M31 2:21
    24. Decision/Playtime/Megalomania/Stronger and Stronger/Hit the Button M32/M41/M42/M43/M44 3:03
    25. On Delta Vega/Strangle by Wire M51/M52 1:14
    26. When Your Eyes Have Turned to Silver M53 1:01
    27. Instant Paradise M54 2:56
    28. Power Mad/Situation Grave/Epilogue M61/M62/M63 6:09
    29. End Title M64 0:23
    30. End Credits M65 0:21

    Total Time: 27:58

    Total Disc Time: 60:06[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
     
  5. Christopher

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    Okay... comparing to the GNP Crescendo album's track list, the only previously unreleased cues from "The Cage" are "Long Look" and "Who Was Eve?" (Plus a couple of title variances -- "Probing" was listed as "Probed" and "To Catch a T." as "To Catch a Talosian.") I'm a bit puzzled, because I thought the music for the Rigel Fortress establishing sequence was unreleased, and "Long Look" is in the wrong place to be that. Is my memory wrong?

    Previously unreleased "Where No Man" cues include:

    Beyond the Pale
    The Patient
    Some Corpse
    Decision
    Playtime
    Megalomania
    Stronger and Stronger
    Strangle by Wire
    Power Mad
    Situation Grave
    Epilogue

    That's more than half the soundtrack by running time; the previously released tracks add up to just over 13 minutes. Title differences: "Act 1 Card" was previously listed as "Star Date" (going by placement and run time), "Silver Orbs (Zooms Past)" was "Silvery Orbs," "On Delta Vega" was "On Delta-Vega," "End Title" was "End Title and Credits," and "End Credits" was "Additional Credits."

    I'm puzzled by the track numbers. On other sets, it seems that the first digit represents the act -- track M21 is the first cue in act 2, M22 is the second, and so on, with the teaser and act 1 going together. But here we've got first digits going up to 8 for "The Cage" and 6 for "Where No Man," even though they had 4-act structures back then.
     
  6. Indysolo

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    Slates are all accurate. I never understood the placement, but they are accurate. I have all of the paperwork.

    "Monster Illusion" is previously unreleased, and includes the female vocalist. This cue is also heard prominently in "This Side of Paradise".

    And we sound so much better than the GNP album, it isn't funny.

    Neil
     
  7. BeatleJWOL

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    I believe those numbers are similar to the numbers featured in the film soundtrack liner notes; corresponding to film reels(?), not to "acts" or anything like that.

    EDIT: Oh, okay, slate numbers. I was close! :p
     
  8. Indysolo

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    Regarding cue titles, the original cue sheets had lots and lots of typos. They may have been used for the GNP release. For our release we went back to the manuscripts and found the correct titles!

    Neil
     
  9. doubleohfive

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    :techman:
     
  10. TREK_GOD_1

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    This is going to be a looonng three weeks to wait!!
     
  11. Christopher

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    Odd... the GNP label gives track 7 as "MONSTER ILLUSION 1:13."

    Oh, but the combined times for "Probed," "Monster Illusion," "Monster Fight," and "The Kibitzers" is only 4:11 (not counting gaps between tracks, I think, since the times listed are consistently a bit shorter than those on the CD list), while the new listing gives a combined total of 5:40 for those. So maybe the GNP version of "Monster Illusion" is a partial cue. (I do wish these track listings would give individual timings for each separate cue in the combined tracks. It'd make it easier to sort this out.)

    Oh, did they maybe leave out the part with the vocalist because of clearance issues?
     
  12. TREK_GOD_1

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    To be clear, is "Monster Illusion" is the cue when Pike suddenly finds himself outside the Rigel fortress/Vina runs up to him?
     
  13. Indysolo

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    Yes, all the way up to the start of the fight (which is the start of the next cue, "Monster Fight", see below).

    Christopher, GNP titled the track incorrectly. What they call "Monster Illusion" was really "Monster Fight". Also, the times on that old album will not match this new one as the pitch was off on that release. Ours is correct.

    Neil
     
  14. Basill

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    That's the piece Christopher was looking for then, and thus track #5 with "Monster Illusion" is my single most anticipated piece on this set (among many mind you). :beer:

    Happy happy, joy joy! :luvlove:

    All the confusion doesn't surprise me, given that even my GNP CD is out of kilter in relation to track titles and order. Granted, it's pretty old now, but mine are all off by one track sometime early in The Cage's section. "Vina's Dance" is listed as "Torchy Girl" on my CD. It's messed up on both the paperwork (insert and case) and the disc's surface, as well as on any info the disc offers to players. I don't know if everybody's is as badly listed but I've often wondered what went wrong with that batch.
     
  15. Tallguy

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    Don't know about Long Look, but track 5 is about 30 seconds longer than on the GNP release.

    From Jeff Bond:
    "The big thing missing from the original "Cage" album was "Monster Illusion"--that's the throbbing siren song you hear just before Pike fights the big Viking guy on Rigel--and you hear it when Spock's being taken over by the spores in "This Side of Paradise" and other moments--one of Trek's most iconic pieces of music."

    EDIT: I hate it when it turns out there's another page of posts I didn't read.
     
  16. NicholasM79

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    Just to clarify, the cue "Long Look" is the transition from Vina/Pike to the Landing Party on the surface about to fire the laser cannon at the knoll. There is an extant piece of tracked music earlier in the episode that is still on prints of The Cage that is actually from "The Man Trap" ("Dead Center", when Crater's body is found dead in sickbay... this irks me every time I see the first pilot because I know it's not supposed to be there, it was tracked in for The Menagerie Part II.)
     
  17. TREK_GOD_1

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    Fantastic! :techman:

    I--like many--found its absence from the GNP album a major letdown, since the cue is one of the best remembered from the series.
     
  18. Christopher

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    Okay, that's odd, since the GNP album does include a track called "Monster Fight" as well. The relevant tracks are listed on the LP as follows:

    6. Probed 0:45
    7. Monster Illusion 1:13
    8. Monster Fight 1:37
    9. The Kibitzers 0:36

    From what Basill says, it's possible the CD listed the tracks differently than the LP did, because the LP lists "Torchy Girl" as only 12 seconds long, way too short to be "Vina's Dance" (which is the previous cue). Here's the full track list from the original LP edition (with typos included):

    Side 1
    1. Star Trek Theme (Main Title) 0:50
    2. Doctor Bartender 1:16
    3. Survivors 1:37
    4. Prime Specimen 3:08
    5. Bottled 1:46
    6. Probed 0:45
    7. Monster Illusion 1:13
    8. Monster Fight 1:37
    9. The Kibitzers 0:36
    10. Vena's Punishment 1:44
    11. Pike's Punishment 0:33
    12. Picnic 2:09
    13. True Love 1:17
    14. Vena's Dance 1:49
    15. Torchy Girl 0:12

    Side 2
    1. Under the Spell 0:26
    2. Primitive Thoughts 0:24
    3. Wrong Think 0:40
    4. To Catch a T. 1:19*
    5. Going Up 1:06
    6. Max's Factor 2:04
    7. Star Trek Theme (End Title) 1:29
    "Where No Man Has Gone Before"
    8. Main Title 0:14
    9. Star Date 0:34
    10. Episode Titles 1:18
    11. Force Field 2:17
    12. Silvery Orbs 1:49
    13. Crippled Ship 0:53
    14. Speedy Reader 0:50
    15. Hit the Button 0:03
    16. On Delta-Vega 0:37
    17. When Your Eyes Have Turned to Silver 0:58
    18. Instant Paradise 2:50
    19. End Title and Credits 0:21
    20. Additional Credits 0:20

    *I was wrong before about it being spelled out as "To Catch a Talosian" -- that's how I wrote it on the insert card I typed up for reference. The track list was only printed on the LP's labels, not on the sleeve, so I needed to make my own list for reference while the album was playing. Evidently I assumed that the "T." was just an abbreviation to save space on the label, and filled in what I assumed the full title would be.

    Basill, how does this compare to the track list on your CD edition?
     
  19. TREK_GOD_1

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    Oh yes! I had to perform a double-take when I first played the CD version, and the insert listing & actual track titles did not match the play order. What a nightmare, especially when transferring to a player, and you were forced to correct each track name.

    Thankfully, in 3 weeks, that old headache will be a thing of the past.
     
  20. Indysolo

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    "Dead Crater"....the cue sheet had a typo. :)

    Yes Christopher, I've gone back to the GNP, it's missing a good chunk of "Monster Illusion". We've got it all assembled properly as heard in the pilot. It's great!

    Neil