Do fans want the prime timeline back? Part 2: Poll edition.

Discussion in 'Future of Trek' started by bbjeg, Sep 6, 2013.

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Do fans want the prime timeline back?

  1. I'm a fan and I want the Prime timeline back.

    56.0%
  2. I'm a fan and I don't want the Prime timeline back.

    16.4%
  3. I'm a fan and wouldn't mind if it came back.

    11.1%
  4. I don't care, just give me Trek!

    14.6%
  5. I don't know.

    1.9%
  1. Maxillius

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    In order to go back to the prime timeline they'd have to write a story that brings the two together and the only way I can think of that being done is if B&B got back together to write the biggest clustef--k we've ever seen, something that would make "Threshold" look like a masterpiece. Something at TFF-level badness. That said, I can think of a way to do it that would give us our DS9 movie at the same time. It involves "The Sisko" laying the smack down on Pine-Kirk and the phrase, "It wasn't supposed to happen this way..."
     
  2. Nerys Myk

    Nerys Myk The Real Me Premium Member

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    Nah, they just make a new film/series set in the "Prime Universe".
     
  3. T'Girl

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    ^ Just that.

    The Abrams alternate universe would be left where ever he leaves it at the end of the next movie.

    Star Trek Fourteen will make no reference to it. Once more there will be a new ship and a new crew, the story line will be set in the prime universe.

    ")
     
  4. Tim Walker

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    I now think that it would be good to leave the prime timeline for good. The JJ movies have made an alternative timeline canon. More importantly, the JJ movies set a precedent-one can produce Trek stories set in a different timeline now (and not necessarily JJ's, why not a third timeline if it fits the story?).
     
  5. Blamo

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    I'm a fan of Trek, but I think the prime timeline should be left behind.

    Too many mistakes (Enterprise and Voyager), too much continuity, too much magic-tech and technobabble.

    A relatively fresh start. JJ Trek would have been great for that, if the director didn't want to make it like Star Wars and the writers had some skill.

    Instead we got:-
    Jerk Kirk
    Aesthetic nods to the past, which make the movie look like a parody at times.
    Bad dialogue, which makes the story sound like a parody at times ("Khaaaaan!").
    Periphery characters getting characterization via jokes that make the movie feel like a parody at times.
    An Enterprise that seems to only exist to get pieces of it shot off.
    Just badly thought up plots.

    Maybe we can have a reboot reboot.
     
  6. Tim Walker

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    Whatever the timeline/century/series/movie, I would keep the original TOS optimism. DS9 is probably as gritty as it can get and still be Trek.
     
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  7. fireproof78

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    I think, if it is a reboot, you need an attitude that is optimistic. Go the opposite direction of nuBSG and be more optimistic. If you bring back the Prime Timeline, then have the Alpha Quadrant move towards a period of peace, where exploration becomes more common place.

    I think that having a more mixed crew, in terms of civilians and Starfleet personnel, could be fun as well. I'm sure that's come up before, but different point of view than the usual Starfleet lines would be a fun character to have as well.
     
  8. NOVE9

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    I would love the prime back but it couldn't be set in the 24th century (flogging a dead horse and what not). Move it forward 100 years set it with a better mix of characters like fireproof suggested and I think a better mix of aliens and humans (or at least have humans from planets other than earth). have the klingon empire on the verge of collapse fragmenting into houses with the smaller one wanting to join the federation or something and others aligning with the romulans/gorn. Giving more meat to some of the other races besides the stables (klingons/romulans/vulcans) would be a good idea too.
    Getting around the techno babble of voy and ent should be easy considering how continuity for the details isn't strong suit in star trek. Focus on character and storyline and the tech shouldn't matter that much anyway.
     
  9. BillJ

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    +1,000,000
     
  10. NOVE9

    NOVE9 Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Edit: Someone made a thread about it.
     
  11. dub

    dub Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    -∞

    ;)
     
  12. eyeresist

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    Curiosity and cooperation have to remain the fundamental values. If they can't get this right, the question of timeline is trivial. "Let's see what's out there."
     
  13. bbjeg

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    Right here buddy.
    Bumping for the new members.
     
  14. Tim Walker

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    Agreed. Focus on character and storyline should be the emphasis of any new Trek endeavor. We are talking drama here.
     
  15. Orphalesion

    Orphalesion Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    That's debatable. Especially the "never" part.

    I'd like the Prime Timeline back because I'm a fan of franchises with a long history and love to see that history advanced. So I'd rather see a 25th century show really building up on all the lore already established and creating new one, making the ST universe ever more complex. I'd like to know how the prime timeline looks 100 years after Nemesis.
     
  16. fireproof78

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    Indeed.

    If continuing in the alternate universe or the Prime universe, the characters and world should be well defined. I'm just as interested in a scifi world building in an alternate reality as I am in the Prime time line. The characters, though, are what make it engaging for me.
     
  17. Makarov

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    What if they brought nuTrek into prime's time period instead of Prime into nuTrek? I'm thinking of the multiple episodes where an old ship suddenly emerges into the future in TNG. I'm not exactly that keen on keeping the prime timeline intact, but I liked the more futuristic time period of TNG so it might be cool to see Kirk in a TNG era captain's uniform. In other words just jump the new crew forward in time.
     
  18. JeffinOakland

    JeffinOakland Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    I consider myself a Trekkie but...I hope they don't give the fans what thy want. Remember the dumpster fire that was Nemesis? Remember how VOY-ENT declined steadily in ratings to the point where virtually no one was watching ENT? If ST is going to survive, it is going to have to continue to appeal to the general public while throwing us fans the occasional bone. Sorry folks; it is just too expensive to make a tv series or movie just to please a niche market. The studios and the advertisers will never pay for it.
     
  19. ThankYouGeneR

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    :techman:
     
  20. BigJake

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    Does anyone think those were really examples of "giving fans what they want"? Those were examples of "hewing to mediocrity and familiarity and assuming fans would want it;" most of the fans (along with most of the semi-mythical "general audience") went away. I know, I was one of them.

    There's way too much neurosis around "what fans want" and trying to appeal to some mythical "general audience" category that's absolutely separate from it. Fans want something good and exciting, especially the latter, much like the "general audience" wants.