"Collective": Tuvok's reassurance to Harry?

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  1. Ragitsu

    Ragitsu Commodore Commodore

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    Hello!

    Recently, I was thinking of dialogue from "Collective" (i.e., the episode where we meet the Borg adolescents). There was a moment when Harry Kim was stuck onboard a Borg cube and relaying information back to Voyager; the gloomy scenery finally began to rattle his nerves and Tuvok - previously listening in - attempted to allay the Ensign's fear.

    "Forbidding" is a fairly subjective assessment...an emotional appraisal. Was Tuvok trying to calm down his subordinate while not truly believing in that concession or did he - deep in a recess of his mind - feel much the same?
     
  2. Tosk

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    1: such as to make approach or passage difficult or impossible
    2: disagreeable, repellent
    3: grim, menacing

    Seems fine to me. Even without the reassurance angle, still a perfectly cromulent word to use in this circumstance.
     
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  3. Oddish

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    Vulcans understand and feel the same emotions we do... they're just taught from childhood to control them.

    And in any case, "forbidding" is an apt description for a Borg ship.
     
  4. Finn

    Finn Bad Batch of TrekBBS Admiral

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    I'm always perplexed by that story by Harry, after what happened during the events of the Scorpion two-parter....I mean he got attacked by an alien and almost died... :cardie:

    It's almost like they forgot about that...different writers or something?

    Or it was hell of a haunted house back in South Carolina....:shrug:
     
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  5. at Quark's

    at Quark's Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    ^Well, that happened while he was a Starfleet Officer, and as Janeway says, 'weird is part of the job'. So he probably just shrugged that off and didn't even think about it for a minute or two afterwards :)
     
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  6. Summer Solstice

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    I think Tuvok was just trying to calm Harry down - he's spent a very long time around humans in general and quite a lot of time working with Harry in particular, he knows what to say to reassure Harry.
     
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  7. Ragitsu

    Ragitsu Commodore Commodore

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    To a species that inherently reacts negatively to the Borg cube - be it the exterior, interior or both - due to their particular psychology (geometric shapes and/or darkness can set some folks off), I can see how the second two definitions fit; I can also see how an individual of any species that learned to fear the Borg through experience would develop an apprehension regarding Borg technology. However, I question the universality of this trepidation. A species that is interwoven with technology (e.g., the Bynars) or evolved in a particular environment may find a Borg cube pleasingly elegant or efficient in its design. Another species may appreciate the black/dark and green aesthetic of Borg lighting. In the real world, there are people who adore the flexibility, coloration, smooth lamella and sinuous movement of a certain beast; while I do not carry a phobia towards this creature (though I do acknowledge its danger as I would any other life form potentially lethal to humans), I am not gaga for snakes. However, I now seem to recall a Borg cube showing up in one of Tuvok's thoughts; if that is true, then perhaps there is unanimity of feeling - concerning this specific enemy and their vessels - between the Ensign and the ordinarily valorous Vulcan.

    The first definition seems an unlikely fit here, if that was indeed Tuvok's intention: haunted houses are all about scary imagery...rarely do they throw you into a maze and Harry didn't blatantly convey consternation over getting lost.

    I wonder if a haunted house of twenty-fourth century Earth is simply a holodeck or if Mister Kim was subjected to an old-fashioned experience (perhaps with superior animatronics?).

    Do you think he felt likewise?
     
  8. Tosk

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    Sometimes Vulcans use words or phrases that have an emotional connotation.
    Like Harry Nilsson said, "That's the way it is, baby." ;)
     
  9. Summer Solstice

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    No. I think Tuvok probably feels very little because he tried to become a Kolinahr master.