Cause and Effect

Discussion in 'The Next Generation' started by Newton, Aug 9, 2012.

  1. Worf2DS9

    Worf2DS9 Writer Rear Admiral

    Aug 15, 2001
    Canada, eh
    This is one of my favourite episodes of TNG and definitely a highlight of the 5th season for me. It's also a great showcase for what's probably my favourite Worf makeup in the series.
  2. Silvercrest

    Silvercrest Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Oct 4, 2003
    If you want to puncture that misconception,just remind them that the Earth is in space, too. Does it weigh nothing?
  3. Trekker4747

    Trekker4747 Boldly going... Premium Member

    Jul 16, 2001
    Kansas City
    It's like saying that Neil Armstrong could've picked up the moon and tossed it out of orbit if he wanted to. I mean, it "weighs nothing", right?
  4. Sam_I_Am

    Sam_I_Am Captain Captain

    Apr 10, 2004
    New Taipei, Taiwan
    This is also one of my favourite episodes. It has some great moments and a great opener.
  5. Mr. Laser Beam

    Mr. Laser Beam Fleet Admiral Admiral

    May 10, 2005
    The visitor's bullpen
    Because the collision between the two ships is the only thing that causes the loop. We know this from the final scene - the Bozeman comes through, does NOT hit the Enterprise, and thus the cycle is broken.
  6. T'Girl

    T'Girl Vice Admiral Admiral

    Aug 20, 2009
    If it were moving at a steady rate of speed, for the explosive force to reach the bow in six hours, the "cloud" should have been expanding at just under 20 millimetres a second (their prospective) or about 1.2 metres per minute. they were in engineering for a couple of minutes.

    But that assumes a steady expansion. You need to take into consideration that there was (at that time) a relatively small opening into the warp core. The main explosion wouldn't occur until the body of the warp core housing was torn apart. What we (and they) were likely seeing was a initial pinhole venting plasma.

    The Enterprise D is 642 metres long.
    The warp core is approximately two-thirds back from the bow.
    Or approximately 427,572 millimetres.
    There are 21,600 seconds in 6 hours.
    19.795 millimetres per second expansion.

    You are completely correct. While a ship in space has mass, a ship in space has no weight.

    Again, you are correct.

    It's the Moon's mass being attracted (mutual attraction) to the Earth's mass that holds it in orbit. The late Neil Armstrong (despite his last name) would lack the strength to move that much mass.

    Last edited: Mar 30, 2013
  7. Gaith

    Gaith Vice Admiral Admiral

    May 11, 2008
    Washington State
    :rommie: Great reference, great ep.

    Though I did wonder why when, at the end, Worf identified the other ship as the Bozeman, the D's computer didn't pipe up with an alert saying "holy shit, guys, we've been missing that ship for 90 years!". I mean, I'm assuming Word didn't read the hull markings without the computer's help. And I'm kinda surprised Data doesn't keep a mental list of all mysteriously missing UFP ships, either.

    Don't mind the nitpicks, though. :p
  8. Tosk

    Tosk Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Jan 7, 2001
    On the run.
    TV dramatics. Just like in Yesterday's Enterprise, when Tasha reads off the ID on the other ship. "NCC 1701-C, U.S.S. ...Enterprise." But Picard doesn't act stunned until she gets to the Enterprise part.
  9. jimbotron

    jimbotron Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Nov 27, 2012
    Bay Area, CA
    Actually his stunned reaction (Riker's too) is after Yar reads off "1701-C". He turns to her, and then after she reads "Enterprise", he looks back toward the viewscreen.
  10. Tosk

    Tosk Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Jan 7, 2001
    On the run.
    You're right,'s the music that acts like "Enterprise" is the real kicker. It messed with my memory of the characters reacting. :alienblush:

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