Captain America: The First Avenger-Review, Discuss, Grade, Sequel, DVD

Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by Captain Craig, Jul 18, 2011.

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How do you rate Captain America: The First Avenger?

Poll closed Feb 28, 2012.
  1. A+

    34 vote(s)
    19.2%
  2. A

    51 vote(s)
    28.8%
  3. A-

    34 vote(s)
    19.2%
  4. B+

    27 vote(s)
    15.3%
  5. B

    15 vote(s)
    8.5%
  6. B-

    5 vote(s)
    2.8%
  7. C+

    5 vote(s)
    2.8%
  8. C

    4 vote(s)
    2.3%
  9. C-

    1 vote(s)
    0.6%
  10. D+

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  11. D

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  12. D-

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  13. F

    1 vote(s)
    0.6%
  1. Anwar

    Anwar Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Re: Captain America: The First Avenger-Review, Discuss, Grade, Sequel,

    Batman is an illegal vigilante, who is in fact a private citizen and not a commissioned officer in the armed services. Killing he does would not be sanctioned the way he keeps things between him and Gordon.

    Cap is a commissioned officer, a government agent. He's fully legitimized to kill by the government, if he thinks it has to come to that.
     
  2. Samurai8472

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    Re: Captain America: The First Avenger-Review, Discuss, Grade, Sequel,

    There's one thing I can't shake when watching this movie

    Montage,Montage,Montage


    I would have liked to have seen a few more of Captain America and the howling commando's,dum dum dugan and the rest of the gang.
     
  3. Trekker4747

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    Re: Captain America: The First Avenger-Review, Discuss, Grade, Sequel,

    But, if Batman where in a situation where it was his life (or the life of an innocent) or the life of The Joker he would be legally justified in killing The Joker. If someone breaks into my home and I feel my life is threatened I'd be justified in killing the intruder (up until the point he flees.)

    How many times has Batman been in a situation where The Joker was threatening the life of an innocent Gothinian (or whatever) and instead of taking the Joker out Batman simply does something to knock The Joker out or cause a distraction to allow him to save the innocent person? Now, sure, the innocent person may have survived so all is good but more often than not The Joker -sooner or later- will be back out there causing crime and the next innocent person to be in The Joker's hands might not be so lucky.

    Batman killing The Joker in a situation where The Joker's threatening life or property would be a justifiable homicide. I'm not a police officer, or a soldier but if I kill a man who is threatening lives then little action would be taken against me, at least legally; civilly is another matter.

    I argue that Batman would be justified if he killed The Joker (in certain circumstances, Batman can't just go up to The Joker and kill him anytime he wants) and it could probably be argued that Gordon's treatment of Batman suggests that Batman is, at last informally, is "deputized" to act as law enforcement in some capacity.
     
  4. Crisp Crinkle

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    Re: Captain America: The First Avenger-Review, Discuss, Grade, Sequel,

    In The Dark Knight Returns, Frank Miller agreed it had finally come to that, not necessarily legally but at least in Batman's mind.
     
  5. Trekker4747

    Trekker4747 Boldly going... Premium Member

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    Re: Captain America: The First Avenger-Review, Discuss, Grade, Sequel,

    Heck, in The Dark Knight Harvey Dent/Two Face is killed in just that sort of situation. To Gordon and any reasonable person it was a justified killing. It was just covered up to save Dent's reputation.

    Now, in Begins the killing of Ras isn't as justified as it was pretty much murder by negligence or failure to act (sort of something like a "Good Samaritan Law.") At the point Ras was killed he wasn't a threat and Batman could have saved him and delivered him to Gordon/the authorities.

    But the killing of Dent was certainly a justifiable act.
     
  6. Crisp Crinkle

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    Re: Captain America: The First Avenger-Review, Discuss, Grade, Sequel,

    In the film, Dent's killing was spur of the moment, arguably accidental and not premeditated, and lives were in immediate jeopardy.

    On the other hand, in Miller's comic, Batman decides to do it, and then pursues the Joker with premeditated intent to kill him, after having had enough of witnessing the Joker kill people. I believe this is actually a substantially different situation.
     
  7. Skywalker

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    Re: Captain America: The First Avenger-Review, Discuss, Grade, Sequel,

    Take this Batman crap to the TDKR thread or something. :p
     
  8. Crisp Crinkle

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    Re: Captain America: The First Avenger-Review, Discuss, Grade, Sequel,

    Aye, aye!
     
  9. Broccoli

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    Re: Captain America: The First Avenger-Review, Discuss, Grade, Sequel,

    How about this:
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    or this:
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  10. Crisp Crinkle

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  11. Happy Xmas (War Is Over)

    Happy Xmas (War Is Over) Fleet Admiral Premium Member

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    Re: Captain America: The First Avenger-Review, Discuss, Grade, Sequel,

    Batman-Captain America is one of my favorite comics and IMO one of the best comics ever made.
     
  12. A beaker full of death

    A beaker full of death Vice Admiral Admiral

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  13. captcalhoun

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    Re: Captain America: The First Avenger-Review, Discuss, Grade, Sequel,

    i love the 'do you hear that?' bit.
     
  14. Skywalker

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    Re: Captain America: The First Avenger-Review, Discuss, Grade, Sequel,

    People still don't know how to embed YouTube videos? :p

    I get a kick out of that one, though. Funny stuff.
     
  15. Temis the Vorta

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    Re: Captain America: The First Avenger-Review, Discuss, Grade, Sequel,

    What I got out of it was that HYDRA thought the Nazis were basically a bunch of liberal wimps. I found that entertaining. :D

    It's frustrating around here! I always forget and try to edit the post...RASSIN FRASSIN!!! :p
     
  16. Trekker4747

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    Re: Captain America: The First Avenger-Review, Discuss, Grade, Sequel,

    "Dude, I catch flying planes out of the sky like every other week."
    "And I'm Batman."
     
  17. A beaker full of death

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  18. Skywalker

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    Re: Captain America: The First Avenger-Review, Discuss, Grade, Sequel,

    Lighten up, Francis.
     
  19. A beaker full of death

    A beaker full of death Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Re: Captain America: The First Avenger-Review, Discuss, Grade, Sequel,

    Shirley you jest.
     
  20. Anwar

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    Re: Captain America: The First Avenger-Review, Discuss, Grade, Sequel,

    What's the matter, we keeping you from yelling at kids to get off your lawn? ;)