Abrams: Star Trek Maybe

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies XI+' started by TrekToday, Apr 25, 2013.

  1. Ovation

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    Vaughan directed X-Men: First Class, among other things, and was quite successful with his take on classic characters as their younger selves (and the casting was good for this scenario--so similarities with Trek). His visual aesthetic differs enough from Abrams so that he would not be a carbon copy, but he appears capable of refreshing and respecting an existing set of characters.

    As for Abrams and Star Wars--he's a hired gun. He's not running the whole operation like he is with Trek at the moment.
     
  2. TheCutestofBorg

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    I personally would have liked to have seen Peter Jackson direct Star Trek or even better Star Wars. Having recently watched the "hobbit" extras on Blu-Ray and seeing how his style is so close to George Lucas during the OT. I think he would have done a terrific job. It seems he believes in real sets and I like that.
     
  3. Nerys Myk

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    I believe Abrams is a fan of real sets as well.
     
  4. Agent Richard07

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    I'm guessing 3 years. Trek's 50th anniversary is in 2016 and I'm sure Paramount will want something out.
     
  5. donners22

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    Hey, it's better than Bryan Burk who thinks Star Trek is people standing around talking at a screen.
     
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  6. SalvorHardin

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    Yep.
    The Enterprise interiors are all interconnected real sets to give just one example. Bridge, corridors and everything.
     
  7. Danger Ace

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    Well, if you are coyly referring to J.J. Abrams and "Star Wars" then I would really appreciate a citation of source that says he will have no input or voice in the creative aspects of the film (including editing and aesthetics not to mention script developement) because I really can't imagine him showing up for work like some Fred Flintstone and just punching -in and -out.

    I mean, if he is going to be so "hands off" then why hire him? Disney wouldn't, they want that "Abrams touch" - which boils back down to him bringing the same bag-of-tricks to "Star Wars" that he brought to "Star Trek."

    On one hand I appreciate Abrams work on and role in reviving "Star Trek," BUT on the other I firmly believe many others could have accomplished similar magic. Paramount's generous allowance of time and resources was the single biggest reason for Trek's revival. If they had appraoched Insurrection, Nemesis and Enterprise with the same attitude then the franchise wouldn't have even needed reviving.


    The last Trek film brought in something like $385 million worldwide while the last Star Wars film did roughly $850 million worldwide - meaning if the Star Wars, Ep. VII did Trek (2009) business then it would be deemed a major, major disappointment.

    Box office numbers via Box Office Mojo

    I am from a time that mistrusts too much power in too few hands. A time that had strict limits on media ownership so as to prevent only select voices from shouting down and distorting the perceptions of the masses. I've seen the effects of those restrictions being loosened and then done away with. All the dire predictions of which largely coming to pass. I would simply hate for "Star Trek" becoming the latest example of history repeating itself.

    Again, we are for the most part the sum total of our experiences. For me, it causes worry to see things get reduced to the same few people and companies. Just as I hate to see all things get boiled down to the same common denominators. No insult or offense intended, just an opinion.
     
  8. Nerys Myk

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    Um, we're talking about a guy who makes movies, not the guy in charge of the studio/network/publishing house. Abrams making Star Trek and Star Wars is not going to turn him into Rupert Murdoch.
     
  9. M'Sharak

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    Was I being coy, or was I doing no more than alluding to the same "one person" about whom you had only just been expressing so much concern?

    Ah, that lovely "creak" of goalposts moving. Honestly, I'm not sure why anyone should be expected to provide a citation of source proving anything at all in response to someone who seems to have no compunction whatsoever about freely lobbing unsupportable rhetorical spitballs such as "why should one person... be put in control...?"
    or "so why put it all in one person's hands... ?"
    or "one person needlessly being given a creative monopoly"
    or "cornering any market"
    Aren't you more or less obligated to provide support for your own sound and fury first before demanding that any responders prove you wrong? You could begin by making a solid argument for your contention that Abrams is being given complete control of the "Star Wars" franchise; with that as a foundation, the rest ought to be a piece of cake.
     
  10. Danger Ace

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    Um, same difference, same principles at play, therefore it is an error on your part to try and minimalize things in order to invalidate or disprove my thesis because it doesn't. I went from big picture to small, but going from small to big works just as well in the making of my point.

    My point has not been about Abrams being on par with a Rupert Murdoch or Studio Chief or CEO of a media conglom. It is about his bringing the same POV, perspective, tastes, sensibilities, back-of-tricks to two members of the same genre. It is about his being a footsoldier in the army of an industry that is forever looking to reduce things to a formula by which to homogenize.

    Sadly, it is one of those things that if a person (or persons)can't grasp or forsee the magnitude or danger of then it is hard to educate them into at least understanding the concepts and ideas being discussed.
     
  11. Nerys Myk

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    I get what you're trying to say. I just don't buy it. Star Trek and Star Wars aren't that far apart in the first place. That said, Abrams is smart enough and talented enough to put forward the things that are different.

    When people start using loaded terms like "footsoldier", "the magnitude or danger" and "educate" in reference to what is basically entertainment I have to laugh at the seriousness and hyperbole of it all. Especially when they are in "talk down to mode".
     
  12. Danger Ace

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    No, you were being coy. You quoted the portion of my post where I was plainly stating that my position wasn't centered on Abrams specifically but based on a general principle.


    Please cite where I have "moved the goalposts."

    Easy peasy as it is a far more incredulous claim to make that someone of Abrams standing would sign on to be a flunky with no voice or influence in a project he undertakes. JJ Abrams has demonstrably worked his way up the ladder in Hollywood to greater power and control over his "projects" from scoring a film at age 16 to present. (IMDB).

    Oh yeah, Abrams company Bad Robot is also producing (with Disney and Kathleen Kennedy).
     
  13. M'Sharak

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    You did so at least twice more in your post immediately preceding this one, and if constructing a solid argument to support your assertion were as "easy peasy" as you say, we would have seen it already. There's nothing to your case but arm-waving.
     
  14. Therin of Andor

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    JJ: "I'm sorry, I must turn down your kind offer to direct your next blockbuster feature film because... no one man should have such power over more than one mega franchise at a time."

    LOL.
     
  15. Admiral Buzzkill

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    Abrams will do a fine job with both Star Wars and Star Trek. There are actually things of some importance going on in the world to which one can devote one's concern for the future, rather than exaggerating the importance of who directs which Hollywood movie.
     
  16. Opus

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    It's just movies...
     
  17. Danger Ace

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    So you keep saying. :rolleyes:

    Principiis obsta et finem respice.

    Well, I will agree that there will probably be a striking similarity ... er ... conformity ... consistency between the two.

    First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out--
    Because I was not a Socialist.

    Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out--
    Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--
    Because I was not a Jew.

    Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me.
     
  18. Xaios

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    Yes, that analogy makes perfect sense. If we're not vigilant, Paramount and JJ Abrams will take us in our sleep.

    :rolleyes:
     
  19. Melakon

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    I think Alex Proyas or Philip Noyce could be interesting. Walter Hill, if he's not burned out after the Supernova fiasco.

    And if we really want to turn the franchise on its pointed ear, the Farrelly Brothers. ;)
     
  20. Therin of Andor

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    They already came and wiped your Prime Universe videos, DVDs and Blu-Rays.