No, it was between Ilia stopping Chekov's pain and Chapel squirting Bactine on Chekov's owie, because the film gives the impression that was the moment the two met, and Ilia was zapped only minutes later Maybe there's a deleted scene of the exchange in the vaults that Wise chose not to include in DE...
I agree with this. And the Chapel/Sarek scene that was cut from the film did make it in to Mike W. Barr's script for the comic book adaptation of Star Trek IV for DC Comics.
That collection includes a much clearer image of the scene in question: I feel bad for Chapel and Rand. Their exclusion (for whatever reasons) from Star Trek II after appearing in TMP led to them not being thought of as part of the "core" TOS cast to the public at large, despite the aforementioned later appearances.
Yep. Ilia was one of the "final crew replacements". First, Decker was clearly surprised by her arrival, and she to his presence, which would unlikely to be the case if she's been assigned to the ship previously. Plus... UHURA Transporter Personnel reports the navigator Lt. Ilia. She's already on board and en route to the bridge, sir. She's Deltan, Captain. ...so she just came aboard moments before the "last six crew members were ready to beam up. No, not pheremones. That very vague underlined bit could mean that they are already friends (previous assignment?) but if so it's an ineffective way to make the point.
I'd say that the small number of episodes that they'd each appeared in had already done that job well before the movies. Rand was completely gone after the first 13 episodes, and Chapel only appeared sporadically at best. And neither ever got much in the way of character development beyond having unrequited crushes on the Captain or the First Officer. I'd say that the reason neither one was included in TWOK was because neither one was necessary to the plot. Honestly, you could edit them both out of TMP without affecting the movie too much. I can't say that I've ever watched a TOS episode without them & thought, "Gee, I sure miss Chapel and/or Rand."
By that standard you could have left out Uhura and Sulu and Scotty as well in TWOK. They each had a handful of lines that any other officer could have delivered.
Yeah, but those characters at least had the benefit of appearing regularly or semi-regularly on all three seasons of TOS. The weight of history was on their side. And they were also all better-developed than Rand & Chapel (Did those two have any hobbies outside of pining away for unattainable men?).
It was nice to have Rand back more prominently in TUC. I wish Chapel had had a more extensive cameo in one of the post-TMP movies. In IV, it sounded kinda cool that she was mobilizing emergency crews or something to that effect, but I wish we'd seen more than just a 1-2 second cameo. By the way, I *always* have trouble finding Rand in IV. Does someone have her appearance(s) timed in IV so I can check on the DVD/BR? The closest I've come to spotting her is in the official IV movie magazine.
^ I don't know about earlier in the movie, but Rand is definitely very visible, sitting beside Chapel, in the hearing scene at the end (both characters can also be seen running out to the main floor to congratulate the Enterprise crew after the "sentence" gets handed down, but neither character is given dialogue). (On an unrelated note, everytime I read this thread title I keep wanting to break out into song: "Chapel in the movies, and she's, gonna get maaarried". )
Well, you've seen her ST IV hairstyle and jumpsuit. She's quite prominent in the two disaster scenes. You can also hear her distinctive voice delivering her lines. And she's sitting with Gillian and Chapel in the trial scene at the end.
As I said above, she actually runs out onto the main floor alongside Chapel and Gillian after the sentence gets passed.
I don't know the time index, but in addition to her already-mentioned appearance at the trial, she also had at least one closeup at Starfleet Command earlier in the movie. This image is from the scene at Starfleet Command right after Kirk, Spock & McCoy discuss going back in time to retrieve some whales... http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/tvhhd/tvhhd0446.jpg
Yeah, in TVH, Chapel's and Rand's big speaking cameos are back to back. I think of it as "the cameo moment."
And they rehearsed their lines together at the Roddenberry mansion (GLW told me!), even though the lines ended up on cue cards for filming.
Add to that, Uhura and Sulu were TOS' nod to racial diversity--the diversity used by innumerable writers assessing the "innovation" or breakthroughs from TOS--which was hammered since the dawn of the ST convention explosion. They had a "locked in" status that made them irreplaceable to ST, so it would have been glaring to leave them out--the opposite of the way Rand & Chapel could be without any significant fan protest.
On a related unrelated note, the thread title reminds me of Dean Martin's recording of "In the Chapel in the Moonlight". This is because one time during the 70s at a roadside restaurant, one of the drunk locals loaded it into the jukebox 5 times in a row, to the dismay of his friends.
Excellent point -- It wouldn't look too good if the two big representations of racial diversity suddenly weren't there anymore. Especially when the new characters that the first couple of movies introduced (Decker, Ilia, Carol Marcus, David Marcus & Saavik) were played mostly by white actors (Except for Persis Khambatta, of course, whose ethnicity didn't really factor into her character).