"You're dead..." Just foolin!

[Stoek]

Have been re-watching DS9 via Netflix streaming. Just finished the season 4 finale. When Garak confronts the female Changeling he asks her if any Cardassians survived the assault on what they believed was the Founders homeworld. Her reply is...

"They're dead. You're dead, Cardassia is dead. Your people were doomed the moment they attacked us."

Considering that the Founders don't really seem like the type to forgive anyone, anything, EVER. I can't help but wonder if they would not have destroyed Cardassia once the war was over, even if they had won. Personally I suspect that they accepted the Cardassians as allies because it was convenient and suited their purposes but once that was no longer the case then they would have layed waste to the planet and its people.

 

[matthunter]

Have been re-watching DS9 via Netflix streaming. Just finished the season 4 finale. When Garak confronts the female Changeling he asks her if any Cardassians survived the assault on what they believed was the Founders homeworld. Her reply is...

"They're dead. You're dead, Cardassia is dead. Your people were doomed the moment they attacked us."

Considering that the Founders don't really seem like the type to forgive anyone, anything, EVER. I can't help but wonder if they would not have destroyed Cardassia once the war was over, even if they had won. Personally I suspect that they accepted the Cardassians as allies because it was convenient and suited their purposes but once that was no longer the case then they would have layed waste to the planet and its people.

Dead or subjugated, I suspect either works so long as they're no longer a threat and never could be again. Turning the Cardies into a servant race like the Vorta or the Jem'Hadar would have suited as well - the Cardassia Garak knows would be "dead" in such a case.

 

[UnknownSample]

Come to think of it, they would have killed all Cardassians after winning. They didn't even wait-- they were already killing off Cardassians en masse, by using them as cannon fodder. Cardassians wouldn't accept being a slave race until their numbers were so depleted they couldn't resist. Cardassians would never have been offered a status like the Vorta or Jem Hadar... we see how they have no respect whatsoever for them. Even the Founders would realize the Cardassians can only be pushed so far. They would be too bitter over receiving no piece of the pie after the war that most of them, at least, would have to be gotten rid of. As cannon fodder, preferably.
Even as a tiny population of slaves, though, I don't think the Founders would let them live. I really believed that "You're all dead." The Cardassians attempted a genocide of them.

 

[Bry_Sinclair]

Personally I suspect that they accepted the Cardassians as allies because it was convenient and suited their purposes but once that was no longer the case then they would have layed waste to the planet and its people.

They had already started that at the end of DS9, bringing the Breen into the war, giving them greater power than the Cardassians, then beginning the systematic genocide of them as the Allied Forces closed in on Cardassia.

 

[UnknownSample]

They had already started that at the end of DS9, bringing the Breen into the war, giving them greater power than the Cardassians, then beginning the systematic genocide of them as the Allied Forces closed in on Cardassia.

I think the real question, though, was whether the Dominion would have killed them all after victory, if the Cardassians hadn't rebelled, starting with Damar. I think yes. Cardassians were being sacrificed in huge numbers in battle to protect Jem Hadar and Breen, even before Damar started the rebellion, so that's what I go by.

 

[Bry_Sinclair]

As devious as the Dominion was at times, I don't think they would. The Cardassians gave them a way into the AQ. The Cardassians may not have been treated as subjects and not equals, but I do think that they would maintain their alliance.

During the battle to take DS9, Damar and Dukat spoke about moving on to Bajor then Weyoun jumped in and said that the Dominion honours its treaties.

 

[MatthiasRussell]

I agree that the Founders never trusted the Cardies and would have turned on them after the war was over. But, the Cardies never trusted or wanted the Dominion as an ally either. If the Dominion would have won the war, I'm sure a Cardie/Dominon War would have been on its heels.

The Cardassians would have fought because they would not like being subjicated to the Founders and subject to police patrols and the Founders would have wanted to wipe out the Cardassians for destroying their homeworld and because they would know that sooner or later the Cardassians would rebel.

 

[Stoek]

...Weyoun jumped in and said that the Dominion honours its treaties.

If you're taking the word of a Vorta, particularly THAT Vorta, I have a fine bridge to sell you with a stunning view of Brooklyn.

 

[Bry_Sinclair]

...Weyoun jumped in and said that the Dominion honours its treaties.

If you're taking the word of a Vorta, particularly THAT Vorta, I have a fine bridge to sell you with a stunning view of Brooklyn.

Firstly, with regards to Bajor and the Dominion, the treaty was honoured. They didn't attack, invade or occupy Bajor, instead they offered technical assistance.

Secondly, I'll give £1 for said bridge

 

[Bry_Sinclair]

If the war had been won by the Dominion, I would think that the Cardassians (had they not turned on them) would then try to take over and stamp their own dominance over the AQ. This betrayal would have seen to their ultimate destruction however.

 

[UnknownSample]

There seem to be situations where the Dominion upholds its treaties. We've already seen, though, that they were giving away territories promised to the Cardassians, to the Breen.