This is the line in the trailer. But does Spock actually say this in the movie? I thought he said: ""The purpose is to experience fear, fear in the face of certain death.."
"You will experience fear.."
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No that's not true, he did say it...he says it during Kirk's academic trial, when Kirk demands to face his accuser...Spock mentions the "fear" aspect of the Kobayashi Maru test, and how Kirk totally missed the point of the no-win scenario, that a starship commander will experience fear in the face of certain death, and that of all people Kirk should understand this, given the fact that his father, George, was killed in a seeming no-win scenario...the whole exchange basically riffs on the convo Spock and Kirk had in TWOK
That being said, I found Spock's hypocrisy here highly illogical...we are told in ST II that Spock never took the Kobayashi Maru test himself, and yet in ST 09 we are told that as an instructor he has been in charge of running the simulator for the past few years...he berates Kirk for failing to understand the point of the test, and yet he has never had to endure it himself? Why on earth would you put a student/instructor in charge of running and evaluating a test that said student/instructor has not taken themselves? And please, don't tell me that it's because Spock was never on the "command track"...McCoy mentions in the film that "everyone" takes it, and he and Uhura are both present during the simulation...plus, Spock in Pike's second in command, and then has to take control of the ship when Pike shuttles over to the Narada, so I'm pretty sure that he's had some training in commanding a starship
Just struck me as a scene that made Spock look like a total dick, but I guess that was the point...
That being said, I found Spock's hypocrisy here highly illogical...we are told in ST II that Spock never took the Kobayashi Maru test himself, and yet in ST 09 we are told that as an instructor he has been in charge of running the simulator for the past few years...he berates Kirk for failing to understand the point of the test, and yet he has never had to endure it himself? Why on earth would you put a student/instructor in charge of running and evaluating a test that said student/instructor has not taken themselves? And please, don't tell me that it's because Spock was never on the "command track"...McCoy mentions in the film that "everyone" takes it, and he and Uhura are both present during the simulation...plus, Spock in Pike's second in command, and then has to take control of the ship when Pike shuttles over to the Narada, so I'm pretty sure that he's had some training in commanding a starship
Just struck me as a scene that made Spock look like a total dick, but I guess that was the point...
I suppose this could be rationalized by saying that teachers don't take tests that they themselves have written. I taught public school for twenty years and never took one of my own exams.
That would make sense, although I have to say that I NEVER heard anyone say Spock wrote the test, only that he was in charge of running it for the past "few years"... I doubt he wrote it, given the fact that there are much older instructors present with him observing
Spock reminds me of the grad students/teacher's aids at my school right now...except I'm sure that in 2258, teacher's aids are able to afford more than Ramen Noodles, diet Coke and cigarettes!!! (but maybe not!)
Actually, in Spock's time they're no better off but they live on Ramulan noodles instead.
Spock reminds me of the grad students/teacher's aids at my school right now...except I'm sure that in 2258, teacher's aids are able to afford more than Ramen Noodles, diet Coke and cigarettes
Actually, in Spock's time they're no better off but they live on Ramulan noodles instead.
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