You died? WHY?

[RobertScorpio]

Our Starship Captains have had to deal with death a lot. What death, Red shirt or whatever, can you directly pin on the captain's bad decisions? And why do you think so?

(movie deaths do not count..series only)

Rob
Scorpio

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

Everyone on board the E-D. I mean the captain can't negotiate a prisoner exchange, and his first officer can't take out a 25-year-old BOP..

And in a sense all those lives are still lost, at least kinda

 

[USS Triumphant]

Commander (later Captain) Riker outright killed that assassin woman he was in love with in "The Vengeance Factor", and for no damned good reason. What, exactly, would have been wrong with continuously stunning her until she fell down, or beaming her into a containment cell? He was talking to the ship on his communicator while that was going on!

 

[Tom]

Sisko killed billions cause he could not handle the dominion correctly, thus the resulting war!

 

[black_dranzer]

A Janeway killed her entire crew (except Harry and Naomi) in Deadlock when she self-destructed one of the Voyager twins

Kirk gets numerous red-shirts killed by even thinking about letting them go on away missions in the first place

 

[Joemac]

in "sins of the father" Picard and Worf allowed a cover up by the klingons that resulted in a treacherous and deadly family being left in power. This resulted in the death of the klingon leader K'mpec by poisoning, K'Ehleyr by duras, several klingons by romulan bombs[supplied to duras] many hundreds,if not thousands by a civil war caused by the duras sisters and the romulans. all of this could have been avoided by a simple, " father was a traitor and so is he". Under klingon law duras and family would have been no more and all those lives would have been safe. major mistake.

 

[troisboobs]

This would be a good thread for BSG!

 

[Jeyl]

First Contact. We can rescue Picard from the Borg, but we'll be danged if we even contemplate trying to find a way to rescue the crew members who have already been assimilated. And when all the assimilated crew members are dead, we return to the present with a big fat smile on our faces.

 

[RobertScorpio]

First Contact. We can rescue Picard from the Borg, but we'll be danged if we even contemplate trying to find a way to rescue the crew members who have already been assimilated. And when all the assimilated crew members are dead, we return to the present with a big fat smile on our faces.

You nailed it dude. I call it R.H.I.P.T.N.G

That stands for Rank Has Its Privileges. on The Next Generation...

Or how else could Worf kill a dude in premaditated fashion, then go back to his post as if nothing happened. Or Picard (as Locutus) can kill 16,000 Federation citizens and just go back to his job as if nothing happened. Or how Riker can show much disrespect to a senior officer and just go back to his post with out even a slap on the wrist.

Rob

 

[Jono]

Sisko killed billions cause he could not handle the dominion correctly, thus the resulting war!

To quote an infamous Australian politician, "Please explain?"

 

[Crewman47]

First Contact. We can rescue Picard from the Borg, but we'll be danged if we even contemplate trying to find a way to rescue the crew members who have already been assimilated. And when all the assimilated crew members are dead, we return to the present with a big fat smile on our faces.

You nailed it dude. I call it R.H.I.P.T.N.G

That stands for Rank Has Its Privileges. on The Next Generation...

Or how else could Worf kill a dude in premaditated fashion, then go back to his post as if nothing happened. Or Picard (as Locutus) can kill 16,000 Federation citizens and just go back to his job as if nothing happened. Or how Riker can show much disrespect to a senior officer and just go back to his post with out even a slap on the wrist.

Rob

I don't get this as it comes up a few times but what are they supposed to do in this situation? Picard got assimiliated and it was reversible, but that was only because he was captured and his crew worked on him over a couple of days or so to get it reversed. With the crew in FC they were assimilated completly as drones and sent out to do there work. Afaik stunning a drone can't be done and the only way to incapicitate it would be to kill it. There would be no time in the situation given to capture all assimilated crew members and put them through a reversal process.

 

[ZMistress]

First Contact. We can rescue Picard from the Borg, but we'll be danged if we even contemplate trying to find a way to rescue the crew members who have already been assimilated. And when all the assimilated crew members are dead, we return to the present with a big fat smile on our faces.

You nailed it dude. I call it R.H.I.P.T.N.G

That stands for Rank Has Its Privileges. on The Next Generation...

Or how else could Worf kill a dude in premaditated fashion, then go back to his post as if nothing happened. Or Picard (as Locutus) can kill 16,000 Federation citizens and just go back to his job as if nothing happened. Or how Riker can show much disrespect to a senior officer and just go back to his post with out even a slap on the wrist.

Rob

I don't get this as it comes up a few times but what are they supposed to do in this situation? Picard got assimiliated and it was reversible, but that was only because he was captured and his crew worked on him over a couple of days or so to get it reversed. With the crew in FC they were assimilated completly as drones and sent out to do there work. Afaik stunning a drone can't be done and the only way to incapicitate it would be to kill it. There would be no time in the situation given to capture all assimilated crew members and put them through a reversal process.

Quoting Lily: "You didn't even try! Where was your evolved sensibility then?"

And that's the thing that always bothered me: There wasn't a single mention about trying another angle than kill 'em all. Even if it turned out to be not possible, they should have least talked about it.

 

[Cyke101]

In hindsight, the First Contact crew probably didn't have to worry about saving assimilated crew members anyway. Taking into consideration that the queen had died and that the assimilated could have been captured, the Enterprise was really just a split-second time jump away from Starfleet HQ. Resources wouldn't have been a problem.

 

[LutherSloan]

I'm sorry, but I disagree about First Contact. Considering that this was before Voyager, where it was seemingly easier (with The Doctor's expertise) to reverse assimilation, I am not sure what he was expected to do. Remember as well that early on, Sickbay was overrun by the Borg and Dr. Crusher and her team had to flee. Without a sickbay to use, and the ship under constant siege, was there really any realistic way to spend valuable time attempting to save assimilated crewmen? Not to mention the fact that they adapt to weapons and are extremely strong if you want to try and take them alive.

 

[Cyke101]

I'm sorry, but I disagree about First Contact. Considering that this was before Voyager, where it was seemingly easier (with The Doctor's expertise) to reverse assimilation, I am not sure what he was expected to do. Remember as well that early on, Sickbay was overrun by the Borg and Dr. Crusher and her team had to flee. Without a sickbay to use, and the ship under constant siege, was there really any realistic way to spend valuable time attempting to save assimilated crewmen? Not to mention the fact that they adapt to weapons and are extremely strong if you want to try and take them alive.

Well, assuming everything up until the Borg Queen gets KO'd went accordingly just as in the movie, you've still got a ton of Borg bodies on the ship when our heroes head back to the 24th Century.

 

[Marie1]

Well, that DS9 episode where they meet their descendants from "200 years ago" because in the future the Defiant will be flung there... that could have ended better...

 

[LutherSloan]

Well, that DS9 episode where they meet their descendants from "200 years ago" because in the future the Defiant will be flung there... that could have ended better...

Are you talking about the one with the planet that only appears in normal space once every so often?

 

[RobertScorpio]

Well, that DS9 episode where they meet their descendants from "200 years ago" because in the future the Defiant will be flung there... that could have ended better...

Are you talking about the one with the planet that only appears in normal space once every so often?

No...its the one where SISKO and crew crash land on a planet that is populated by their own prodigy. It seems that the Defiant will, sometime in the future, crash land in the past, on this planet.

I actually liked how it ended. It was depresssing, but that is why I think this is one of the best time travel stories of all time...no quick fix.

Rob

 

[Marie1]

Well, that DS9 episode where they meet their descendants from "200 years ago" because in the future the Defiant will be flung there... that could have ended better...

Are you talking about the one with the planet that only appears in normal space once every so often?

No, it was the one called Children of Time.

I felt bad for the people- even tho I'm sure the end was quick. It showed the depth of Odo's love for Kira.

I mean they technically did exist, they did live out their lives, so I found it sad they couldn't continue... I guess in the big scheme of things it was probably instantaneous and they didn't see it coming... there are worse ways to die. But I felt a little sorry they all disappeared, and it was good of the crew to be at least willing to sacrifice themselves for those thousands of people.

 

[Crewman47]

It's been a while since I seen the episode but shouldn't the descendants have continued on existing or is the episode using the therory that only one timeline can exist at any one time (or something to that effect)? I mean in one timeline upto the point the Defiant arrives at the planet there are no descendants, the Defiant goes back in time and settles, then second time round the Defiant arrives at the planet, meets the descendancts but this time avoids going back in time thereby (as seen in this episode) cancelling out the descendants existences. But as Marie1 said above technically they existed and should've continued to exist becuase they were now living in a second timeline.

Does this make any sense?