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YES! New Who to watch!!

Neroon

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As fortune favored me yesterday, I checked the guide for BBCA and noticed "The Next Doctor" and "Planet of the Dead" were to be airing. Being the good dad and husband I want to be, I recorded them and waited until later in the evening when our whole family could watch. It was so cool to be able to do that again! We've so enjoyed watching the four series DVDs that DWF kindly loaned us. Yes, I did say "loaned" even though I've had them for so long it seems otherwise. :o

Anyhow, on to "The Next Doctor".

As is my wont, I initially wondered if this "next Doctor" was going to be a charlatan or a victim of mistaken identity or possibly worse. There were just so many little coincidental terms which didn't quite pan out. Then the encounter with the masked creature. Not only was the mask a Cyberman image but the creature had a certain extranormal amount of strength. And the more we went on, the more the "next doctor" seemed in earnest. And I grew to like his character very much, especially as we learned some terrible tragedy had befallen him. Take a man's wife from him, and instantly my heart is on his side. It was fairly simple to reason that the missing item was a child. Why? Well, we kept hearing references to children during the course of the story.

It was a very enjoyable romp, although mostly because it was great to have new material to watch. The story itself was good, but ... a few things nagged at me. Now these may have been explained, at least to where a re-watching will reveal it all, but still I thought why not go to fellow Whovians? :hugegrin:

- One is this Mrs. Hartigan. She was apparently human? If so then she was an exceptionally strong minded one, something the Doctor seemed to recognize.

- The apparent lead Cyberman had a new mask with a brain shown through it. Was that ever explained? Was there any kind of significance to it?

- Does this story in any way conflict with "Rise of the Cybermen/Age of Steel" ? Again, maybe it was alluded to in the sory, but I had a bit of trouble following where these Cybermen came from. I take it that was from a war with the Daleks?


Despite those little niggling questions, I enjoyed the show. David Morissey was brilliant as the seemingly daft but ultimately quite sympathetic faux Time lord. When he begins to doubt himself, The Doctor reassures him that he is indeed a brave, brave and honorable man. The tribute to some of the previous generations of doctors was well played. Short, quick images that don't muddle the storyline but give honor to those who came before, an idea I will myself nearly always honor and enjoy. The ending when Jackson Lake invites the Doctor to Christmas dinner is as touching a scene as we're liable to ever see. Not maudlin or overwrought... he simply conveys a simple earnest desire to extend kindness to the lonely Doctor.

It may not have been the best episode ever, but it was fun to be back in that whoniverse one more time and to share it with my family.
 
I like the way they almost always get you involved and, when they're really good, on the edge of your seat. It's just so rare to get a television series that does that.
 
No kidding! In my case, there have been several times when it "seemed so obvious" how they would end the story or in which direction it'd be spun... only to have it veer off at a right angle. :lol: That's part of what I have enjoyed this show so much - it's different and VERY often "different" is good!

(back to writing comments on "Planet of the Dead")
 
Neroon, the Cybermen are basically the same ones seen in the Rise of the Cybermen/Age of Steel two parter. They're ones sucked into the Void at the end of Doomsday; basically they've been fighting the Daleks in there ever since but, once the walls between dimensions grew weak during The Stolen Earth/Jouney's End, they were apparently able to escape, although they seem to have been scattered through time somewhat.

I liked the Next Doctor, but I do think Jackson Lake was sidelined too much during the second half. Miss Hartigan is a better villain than a giant Cyber-robot could ever be!
 
- One is this Mrs. Hartigan. She was apparently human? If so then she was an exceptionally strong minded one, something the Doctor seemed to recognize.
Yep, just an ordinary human. "Strong minded" is a kind way of putting it. ;)

- The apparent lead Cyberman had a new mask with a brain shown through it. Was that ever explained? Was there any kind of significance to it?
Not specifically. Through the original series, most times we see a Cyb, they've changed in some way, as though they are constantly evolving or improving their design. Keep in mind, the only connect the original series Cybs and the modern Cybs have in common is the name. These new fangeled ones are from an alternate dimension "Pete's World" and were completely designed from the beginning on that alternate Earth. The original series Cybs could kick their asses.

- Does this story in any way conflict with "Rise of the Cybermen/Age of Steel" ? Again, maybe it was alluded to in the sory, but I had a bit of trouble following where these Cybermen came from. I take it that was from a war with the Daleks?
Nope. As the Doctor explains (rapidly) when facing the steampunk Cyb, these are Cybs who fell out of the vortex thingamabobber. Remember when all the Daleks and Cybs got trapped in that little blip in time/space, never to be seen again? ... well, some fell out of it. And that means that any time future writers want to use Daleks or these Cybs, they can just write "fell out" and get on with the story.
 
"Steampunk Cybermen" - I'd consider that as a costume for Dragon Con next year, if I wasn't overwhelmed with the amount of steampuunk there THIS year. :lol:
 
"Planet of the Dead" was beautiful in imagery, though the story was rather average. It felt like ground we'd traveled over before. "Midnight" came to mind first, though I'm positive there were othe episdoes where I had that same feeling of "deja vous".

All the same, there were some outstanding aspects of this episode. The scenery was captivating, with great expanses of desert. Okay, so it evoked that iconic scene of Luke Skywalker on Tatooine. :lol: It was still beautiful. In addition to that, Prof. Taylor was a hoot! So over the top in his nerdiness and in this worship of the Doctor! And of course Michelle Ryan's character of Lady Catherine. That opening where she steals the chalice evoked Hitchcock's "To Catch A Thief", a personal favorite film.

Of particular effectiveness was the haunting pronouncement made by Carmen: "You be careful, because your song is ending, sir. It's returning, through the dark. And then Doctor... then...he will knock four times.". Couple with the teaser for "Waters of Mars".... man I wish I could fast-forward to November! David Tennant sells that scene with his face taut in almost fear. I say "almost" because it's hard to think of the Doctor being afraid of anything.

No matter what shortcomings the episode had, I still enjoyed watching it. I wish we'd get to see more of the Doctor and Lady Catherine, but maybe a one-off pairing is best.
 
Dam, I saw the thread title and thought Water of Mars premiered early somewhere! Ahh well.. goes and hides till November. :)
 
Dam, I saw the thread title and thought Water of Mars premiered early somewhere! Ahh well.. goes and hides till November. :)

Sorry about that..... but it's killing us to have to wait for that one, too.

You could pass the time by rewatching the classic series ... I think there might even be a thread here dedicated to just that. :devil:

I have seen all that is out there, I have been a Doctor Who fan since 1983! However, re-watching ones I have not seen in 20 years does have its value too. :)
 
Neroon, have you seen the full trailer for Waters of Mars and the one from ComicCon for End of Time? Wow is the word that springs to mind.
 
Of particular effectiveness was the haunting pronouncement made by Carmen: "You be careful, because your song is ending, sir. It's returning, through the dark. And then Doctor... then...he will knock four times.". Couple with the teaser for "Waters of Mars".... man I wish I could fast-forward to November! David Tennant sells that scene with his face taut in almost fear. I say "almost" because it's hard to think of the Doctor being afraid of anything.

Well after seeing an alternate reality earth being destroyed by fire the third gained a fear of fire and it was later used against by the Master, reliving the phobia even stopped one the Doctor's hearts.

I should've let you have the DVDs of these two stories when I came for the Middleman marathon. I liked both of these stories and I LOVED the giant CyberKing. And I LOVED seeing all of the Doctors in the info stamp, that was a real blast from the past.
 
DAMMIT NEROON!!!!!

You should be able to give yourself a warning because I thought they had announced the date for the next special. I keep forgetting there are people on this planet that don't know how to quit warrant yet.


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- The apparent lead Cyberman had a new mask with a brain shown through it. Was that ever explained? Was there any kind of significance to it?
Not specifically. Through the original series, most times we see a Cyb, they've changed in some way, as though they are constantly evolving or improving their design. Keep in mind, the only connect the original series Cybs and the modern Cybs have in common is the name. These new fangeled ones are from an alternate dimension "Pete's World" and were completely designed from the beginning on that alternate Earth. The original series Cybs could kick their asses.

Having just seen the ROTC/AOS 2 parter on BBCA the previous weekend, the "Cyber Leader" getup Lumic was put into was the same as this one, with the black and the visible brain. And I believe the OS Cyber Leader also had some black on his headpiece, if not the whole set of "earmuffs".
Probably the only way they can tell which one's in charge.
 
DAMMIT NEROON!!!!!

You should be able to give yourself a warning because I thought they had announced the date for the next special. I keep forgetting there are people on this planet that don't know how to quit warrant yet.


:mad: :mad: :mad:

You're right. I throw myself on the mercies of Rose Tyler, Lady Catherine and Reinette de Poisson!
 
Agree with the poster who said that Miss Hartigan was underused. She was a great character, who really could have used another 10-15 minutes of screen time. I would have loved this as a regular series two-parter.

But really, my biggest gripe about Nu-Who is its bad habit of introducing brilliant actors/characters and just wasting them. Anthony Head, and Simon Pegg (used to have John Simm on my list, but we all know he's coming back) both come to mind.

Having just seen the ROTC/AOS 2 parter on BBCA the previous weekend, the "Cyber Leader" getup Lumic was put into was the same as this one, with the black and the visible brain. And I believe the OS Cyber Leader also had some black on his headpiece, if not the whole set of "earmuffs".
Probably the only way they can tell which one's in charge.

This pretty much, though I think the only time the CyberLeader earmuffs were black was in Revenge of the Cybermen. Since then its just been the 'handle' parts of the headpiece that were black.
 
But really, my biggest gripe about Nu-Who is its bad habit of introducing brilliant actors/characters and just wasting them. Anthony Head, and Simon Pegg (used to have John Simm on my list, but we all know he's coming back) both come to mind.
I definitely agree on Simon Pegg, especially in retrospect ("The Long Game," sadly, was my introduction to Pegg), although I think Head did get enough, particularly with the poolside conversation. Plus, he did return in The Infinite Quest which was brilliant.

"The Next Doctor" is my favorite Christmas special because I love the mystery of Jackson Lake in the first half of the story (plus being able to see The Ten Doctors! *geekgasm*) and thought Miss Hartigan was an excellent villainess, but the second half went downhill. Lake and Hartigan were pushed into the background by The Doctor and the giant Cyberman. I would have much preferred Lake more in the forefront against a small army of Cybermen. But that's Davies for you, alas.

Simply put, I was bored by "Planet of the Dead" and I've never liked Michelle Ryan. Next please!
 
DAMMIT NEROON!!!!!

You should be able to give yourself a warning because I thought they had announced the date for the next special. I keep forgetting there are people on this planet that don't know how to quit warrant yet.


:mad: :mad: :mad:

You're right. I throw myself on the mercies of Rose Tyler, Lady Catherine and Reinette de Poisson!
Okay, I didn't mention this earlier, but now I can't resist any longer: it's Lady Christina! :D
 
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