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Yarrrr! Proposal to sail the seas of moon Titan by boat

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8409052.stm

A daring proposal to try to put a "boat" down on a sea of Saturn's moon Titan is about to be submitted to Nasa.

The scientific team behind the idea is targeting Ligeia Mare, a vast body of liquid methane sited in the high north of Saturn's largest moon.

The concept will be suggested to the US space agency for one of its future mission opportunities that will test a novel power system.

It would be the first exploration of a planetary sea beyond Earth.

"It is something that would really capture the imagination," said Dr Ellen Stofan, from Proxemy Research, who leads the study team.

"The story of human exploration on Earth has been one of navigation and seafaring, and the idea that we could explore for the first time an extraterrestrial sea I think would be mind-blowing for most people," she told BBC News.

Dr Stofan, who is also an honorary professor at University College London, has been describing her group's idea here at the American Geophysical Union's (AGU) Fall Meeting, the world's largest annual gathering of Earth scientists.

I'm probably not the only person here who thinks this sort of adventure would be simply awesome. :bolian: True extraterrestrial lunanautical exploration. :D
 
Why does this sound like the plot of a bad scifi movie? I don't like it...what are they hoping to find in a sea of liquid methane??? I thought there was a plan to send something to one of Jupiters moons and drill through the ice...is that still on the table???
 
^^^ Read the article. It mentions performing proper chemical tests on the methane seas and assessing the weather system too.

I think any opportunity to explore the different aspects of Titan's environment is a good opportunity - I mean there were probably people who laughed at the idea of driving a car around our Moon. The place could be very useful to us should we reach the level of interplanetary commerce.

The machine is apparently called the Titan Mare Explorer.
So, it looks as though if we want to find out what's going on over at Titan.... [puts on sunglasses] ... only TiME will tell. :cool:
 
I just hope the Explorer doesn't run into trouble with any pirates out in those nefarious Titan seas.
 
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But yeah. The entire moon is one big hydrocarbon haven. But who knows what other precious booty (Anglo-Saxon or otherwise ;)) they might find in there... :D
 
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GILLIGAN!!!
 
Brilliant idea. Any way to get video captures? Probably not eh? I'd love to see actual moving video, not computer simulations.
 
They could probably capture video, even HD, especially if they send a probe with a nuclear powerplant. (Probably hard to rely on solar from Titan's surface. The sun is farther away, and I think the atmosphere's pretty thick too.)

The hard part is getting that data back here intact. Data links from space probes are slow. It's just a matter of reliability; if you try to transmit too fast, too many bits get corrupted too often.

Imagine trying to download a 2-hour 1080p movie on a 56k modem. Now slow it down by an order of magnitude.
 
They could probably capture video, even HD, especially if they send a probe with a nuclear powerplant. (Probably hard to rely on solar from Titan's surface. The sun is farther away, and I think the atmosphere's pretty thick too.)

The hard part is getting that data back here intact. Data links from space probes are slow. It's just a matter of reliability; if you try to transmit too fast, too many bits get corrupted too often.

Imagine trying to download a 2-hour 1080p movie on a 56k modem. Now slow it down by an order of magnitude.

We really need to get that Earth-to-outer solar system T1 line going.
 
Overheard when the toilet on board the Titan Cruiser failed like it's space station counterpart.

Astronaut 1: Man, that liquid methane is cold!
Astronaut 2: Yeah it's deep too!
 
This is a cool idea, but I think a submarine might be more interesting. See what's going on under ther surface, where there'd be a greater likelihood of life.

As said above, the really big problem would be getting data back. Submarine transmits to (let's call it) an an anchor point, where there's an aerial up to a satellite, which collates the info and sends it off in packet bursts with redundancy.
 
A submarine would be more useful if the sea is transparent enough for optical instruments to work. There's no guarantee of that. In a cloudy sea, all a submarine could do is measure how temperature changes with depth, and maybe chemical composition if there are immiscible layers to the sea, (cf. oil and water). A boat seems a more logical choice for a first mission.

But If the sea is clear enough for a submarine, I don't know if methane blocks radio waves in the same way water does. It's not an ionic liquid. It may not be a problem for radio to transmit through.

But if it is a problem, then could a laser be used as a communication link to a transponder floating on the surface?
 
How do you rig for neutral buoyancy in a liquid of unknown composition? I think they have a better chance of floating a boat.
 
If we believe it is going to be liquid methane, the density can be estimated close enough (specific gravity of liquid methane is 0.46454kg/litre at -164C at standard pressure). We wouldn't expect this to vary greatly as liquids don't compress that much with changes to temperature and pressure.

Then you do the same as with any submarine. Make something that should float, then have an internal chamber that can be flooded by a controlled amount to make the overall density of the craft equal that of the sea.
 
Go NASA, make Titan our bitch!

Just, please, don't name the first Moon-boat something dorky.

Kidding, aside. Shame we can't get samples from the sea back to Earth.
 
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