X-Men (2000) vs. First Class and Origins: Wolverine

[shivkala]

There's also the issue of Alex/Havok in First Class: Origins. Not as drastic as some of the other points mentioned in this thread, but in the comics, he is Scott's younger brother. Wikipedia quotes Bryan Singer as saying Alex "somehow [was] related to [Scott] in a way that works for the film."

I've read theories that Alex could be Scott's father, but that's another issue, as (and granted, I don't think they'll go this way in the movies) Scott and Alex's father was Corsair, who led the Starjammers after being abducted by the Shi'ar from a plane carrying him, his wife, and his two sons. Their mother strapped Scott and Alex into the one remaining parachute and saved them.

Where are those puppies when you need them?

So maybe Alex is Scott's father. If he is, then he'd better get busy getting busy on making Scott for him to be a high schooler in 1979. Unless, as previously suggested, we're forgetting Scott's involvement in X-Men Origins: Wolverine.

 

[Turtletrekker]

The holocaust survivor Magneto is a fairly recent addition to the mythos anyway.

Not really. It goes back to at least "Uncanny X-Men" 150, Oct 1981.

 

[theenglish]

The holocaust survivor Magneto is a fairly recent addition to the mythos anyway.

Not really. It goes back to at least "Uncanny X-Men" 150, Oct 1981.

Really? For some reason I had thought that it had been introduced later.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Yup. And while I can't say so for a 100% certainty, I am reasonably sure that it originated there. UXM 150 was the first ever Magneto story, indeed one of the first X-Men stories, that I ever read, so certain things about it tend to stick out. The scene where Magneto tells Storm of his time at Auschwitz after he mistakenly believes that he had killed Kitty is something I remember vividly.

 

[MacLeod]

Also, the blonde woman in Origins is emma frost. They said she was, and they never took it back when First Class came out. I don't care how some fans spin it, they outright said it was her, and I've never seen an interview with any of the in charge people say she wasn't.

Once First Class came out I just personally retconned that by having the younger Emma and Kayla be the daughters of the First Class Emma Frost by two different fathers. Both of them sort of split the difference on weaker forms of Emma Frost's powers anyway, with Kayla having the power of telepathic persuasion (though hers is only tactile) and younger Emma having the diamond skin but no telepathy.

There is also the fact that Xavier should not have been walking (or bald, or as old as Patrick Stewart was)

It's a world where magical healing abilities and extremely high technology are the norm. It's not that hard to imagine that he's either wearing an exoskeleton or he was temporarily cured of his paralysis by someone's mutant power.

He was also older and bald and CGI creepy when he and Magneto went to visit young Jean in X3, and if you count the twenty years earlier bit from X3 (which seems to have taken place within a year of X1 & X2 - call it 2001 to give time for the new President to be inaugurated) that places that sequence in 1981, only two years after Origins. Xavier obviously isn't as ageless as Patrick Stewart seems to be.

Or given that Xavier is a powerful telepath, he made them thing he was seeing him.

 

[suarezguy]

So maybe Alex is Scott's father. If he is, then he'd better get busy getting busy on making Scott for him to be a high schooler in 1979. Unless, as previously suggested, we're forgetting Scott's involvement in X-Men Origins: Wolverine.

I didn't like him being in First Class, let alone as Scott's likely father, as that upstages Scott's eventual role on the team (and it was overly underdeveloped in the original three films already). I don't see why the producers chose to have Scott in Wolverine when they knew they would be making another prequel, set much earlier, next (unless they just really dislike the character ).

 

[Gaith]

^ They didn't know at the time FC would be the next movie; they were figuring XMO:M (as inMagneto) would, and after that, XMO:W2.

Anyhow, re: ignoring TLS and XMO:W: several posters here are doing it wrong.

 

[Reverend]

While there are certainly a number of scenarios that could see Magneto's origin be retconned as something other than the holocaust, It's pretty iconic, so I honestly think they're more likely to come up with some explanation as to how he can be that old without being *too* old.

For example: what if Red Skull or some other Hydra type got a hold of him in the camps and used him as a guinea pig for a version of the super-soldier formula? Let's say it didn't exactly work, but it did leave him with something akin to, but not quite a healing factor that means his ageing has been greatly slowed.

 

[Captaindemotion]

^Hydra and the Red Skull can't be used in the Marvel-studio films but some variation on your idea, using someone like Kevin Bacon's character from FC, could certainly work.

 

[trekkiebaggio]

Could always have a younger clone, with all of Magneto's memories intact too.

 

[shivkala]

So maybe Alex is Scott's father. If he is, then he'd better get busy getting busy on making Scott for him to be a high schooler in 1979. Unless, as previously suggested, we're forgetting Scott's involvement in X-Men Origins: Wolverine.

I didn't like him being in First Class, let alone as Scott's likely father, as that upstages Scott's eventual role on the team (and it was overly underdeveloped in the original three films already). I don't see why the producers chose to have Scott in Wolverine when they knew they would be making another prequel, set much earlier, next (unless they just really dislike the character ).

The thing is, Havok is not known to the non-fans. Like Darwin and the female Angel, they didn't necessarily need to use him. The X-Men have tons of mutants who can't fully control their powers. They could have picked someone else, other than Alex/Havok, one that wouldn't cause any continuity problems.