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would MOVIES serials work?

My parents always talk about the old movies serials back in the 40s and 50s. Heck, LUCAS has tried to recapture that spirit, along with Spielberg, back in their glory days of the 70s-80s.

I wonder if a movie serial, of course more modern, would work. A quick 8 minute storyline, and no not a cartoon, that would leave you hanging for the next part that would come out a month later with the new batch of movie previews..would you be for the return of the movie serial???

Rob
Scorpio
 
If you put them before the main feature I guess they might, but no one is going to go and pay the prices cinemas charge these days just to watch eight minutes of a serial.
 
I don't think it would work in today's world of instant entertainment...8 minutes? Put it on Youtube...or just do a TV show.
I wouldn't go to the movies JUST to see it...and I don't go often enough that I would probably miss a chapter and then wait for the DVD.
 
I think "webisodes" are the modern version of this, I just don't think with all the entertainment options out there that movie serials would get people into theaters week after week. Especially given that in this era we don't get anything but ads and previews before a movie.
 
Movie serials worked when movies were a nickel and everyone went every week. At $12 a pop, I sure ain't showing up for 8 minutes of anything...
 
If you put them before the main feature I guess they might, but no one is going to go and pay the prices cinemas charge these days just to watch eight minutes of a serial.

Well, with so many movies only clocking in at an hour and half, I think serials might go over in some cases..I think they should try it..

Rob
 
If you put them before the main feature I guess they might, but no one is going to go and pay the prices cinemas charge these days just to watch eight minutes of a serial.

Well, with so many movies only clocking in at an hour and half, I think serials might go over in some cases..I think they should try it..

Rob

An hour and a half, in which an entire story is told, is still better than an 8-minute serial.
 
The problem is what do you attach these serials to? If someone went to a movie every week, they likely don't all want to see the same thing. Is the overlap between the fans of the feature and those of the serial sufficient to assume that those that see one would want to see the other? And what if someone was interested in seeing the whole story, but not enough that they remembered not to start it in the middle. And if you attached the serial to every film, would that be an imposition on those that don't want to see it?

Multiple-film showings of any kind are kind of impractical today, outside of special events and festivals.
 
Multiple-film showings of any kind are kind of impractical today, outside of special events and festivals.

Unless you did it sort of as "backups" - say, all the Marvel superhero movies carrying a continuing story in short segments before the main feature. They wouldn't come out every week, but the same group of people are going to go see those movies and could follow the serials over the course of a few years.
 
With today's short-attention-span audiences, I think they'd be a HUGE success. But ONLY if all of them were shot in rapid succession and released one per month. (Because we also live in an "I-want-everything-NOW" world.

A popular serial could easily boost a particular studio's annual lineup of releases, and act as help for their weaker offerings.

--Ted
 
The market for short subjects had mostly evaporated by the 1950s and was bone dry by the 1970s. You can't have serials without regular attendance, and modern movie going isn't compatible with that. Furthermore, where's the revenue stream? You gonna charge more for the show with these serials? People already complain that movies cost too much.

It's a dead model. It isn't coming back, not without a damned big change in the way people attended films. And with TV and the internet, I'd give that pretty infinitesimal odds.
 
The movie going experience was different back then. You had cartoons, serials, short subjects, newsreels and features. It was weekly destination to get a variety of entertainment and information. Most of the serial chapters were 15 to 20 minutes long. I don't think 8 minutes would do the trick.
 
It would never work today, because the model for movie-going has changed so drastically.

Prior to 1960, going to the movies was really much more like watching television. You would pay your admission, and then you could sit in the audience and watch for as long as you liked. You might come in during the middle of a feature, watch the newsreels and a couple of cartoons once it was over, watch the beginning of another feature and then go home. It was a very casual experience, which is part of what led to its enormous popularity. You could go in and out, you could talk during the movie, you could get food. This is part of the reason why, at least in America, it took so long for film to be seen as an art form. It was considered extremely low-brow.

By 1960, though, you started to see the rise of the auteur director. This isn't to knock the efforts of directors under the studio system, a great deal of art was produced during that time in spite of the way the system was set up. At this point, though, American filmmakers started becoming more conscious of film as art, though.

The man who might be most directly responsible for the complete death of the movie serial is Alfred Hitchcock, since he deliberately changed the way American audiences watched films with the release of Psycho. It was just the typical hyperbole of "this movie is so good it will change the way you watch movies!" Psycho was released with explicit instructions not to allow anyone into the theater once the film had started. This was a radical shift in how movies were presented, but it was vital to preserving the film's massive plot twist.

Obviously, later films followed suit to capitalize on Psycho's success, to the point where this is the only way we think about going to the theater anymore. Television and a internet downloading have become the substitutes for the old movie system, and those are the only places where the serial model can really succeed in the modern world. Even in television, that model is starting to fall apart, because people would rather watch an in-depth serial on their own terms, on DVD or iTunes.
 
Short serials have potential, but not attached to movies. As multiple people have explained already, the movie going experience has changed to much for a serial to work.

The place for serials is on ipods/cell phones/web. You are starting to see some shorts/serials released as promotional material for tv shows. I think there could be potential for a subscription model, where the user pays a monthly/yearly fee and gets a weekly serial of some sort. Depending on who's doing it this serial could either be viewed online, downloaded to an ipod, or streamed to a cell phone.

I think the best schedule approach would be to follow the classic comic book model. Have four different serials. Have each serial released once a month on a different week of the month. Maybe add a bonus video that appears the month with 5 of whatever day you do the releases. Charge $1/video. $10/year per serial, and $25/year for access to all the serials. Now you just need to find someone who can produce the videos cheap enough to make money on those prices.
 
Short serials have potential, but not attached to movies. As multiple people have explained already, the movie going experience has changed to much for a serial to work.

The place for serials is on ipods/cell phones/web. You are starting to see some shorts/serials released as promotional material for tv shows. I think there could be potential for a subscription model, where the user pays a monthly/yearly fee and gets a weekly serial of some sort. Depending on who's doing it this serial could either be viewed online, downloaded to an ipod, or streamed to a cell phone.

I think the best schedule approach would be to follow the classic comic book model. Have four different serials. Have each serial released once a month on a different week of the month. Maybe add a bonus video that appears the month with 5 of whatever day you do the releases. Charge $1/video. $10/year per serial, and $25/year for access to all the serials. Now you just need to find someone who can produce the videos cheap enough to make money on those prices.

I am surprised that the comic book industry hasn't evolved to IPODS or online...totally get rid of comic books..would make my collection worth even more!!!

Rob
 
The place for serials is on ipods/cell phones/web. You are starting to see some shorts/serials released as promotional material for tv shows. I think there could be potential for a subscription model, where the user pays a monthly/yearly fee and gets a weekly serial of some sort. Depending on who's doing it this serial could either be viewed online, downloaded to an ipod, or streamed to a cell phone.


Yeah. You're right...we already have the movie serial...webisodes. Like the BSG stuff about a year ago...though, only two minutes long...
 
The place for serials is on ipods/cell phones/web. You are starting to see some shorts/serials released as promotional material for tv shows. I think there could be potential for a subscription model, where the user pays a monthly/yearly fee and gets a weekly serial of some sort. Depending on who's doing it this serial could either be viewed online, downloaded to an ipod, or streamed to a cell phone.


Yeah. You're right...we already have the movie serial...webisodes. Like the BSG stuff about a year ago...though, only two minutes long...
Dr. Horrible might be a good, if short, example of this. Each episode was about 10-15 minutes long, made quite cheaply (IIRC, it was the low six figures for all three), and yet has been wildly successful. We might see more of those, though I doubt that a quarter would be the same quality.
 
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