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Windows7 license question

Ar-Pharazon

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I'll be getting my new copy of Win7 in a week or two, most likely an OEM version.

The question is, will an "extra" purchased license (such as one of many I've seen on ebay) work with the OEN DVD, or only the full retail version?

Also, how does the DVD (retail or OEM) know it can accept a second key? I've always had the impression only the key that came with the installation CD would work with that CD during the install process.

This will be the first time I'm putting the same OS on 2 different computers and I want to make certain they'll both be able to receive updates.


T'anks.
 
Rather than bother with OEM licensing, I'd just (actually, let me put that as "I did") get an upgrade license. Upgrade discs contain a full version of the OS. It's the exact same software. Same install DVD, which just says "Windows 7" on it. I get all updates, and it passes WGA. Now, legally, you have be replacing a previous copy of windows in order to use the upgrade license, but you're probably doing that anyway. Even if the old Windows is on an entirely different PC. Not that they can, could, or would do that. They're just happy you're buying a copy at all rather than pirating it.

The Windows 7 DVD also has the most psychedelic hologram I've ever seen on a DVD.
 
I'll be getting my new copy of Win7 in a week or two, most likely an OEM version.

The question is, will an "extra" purchased license (such as one of many I've seen on ebay) work with the OEN DVD, or only the full retail version?

Also, how does the DVD (retail or OEM) know it can accept a second key? I've always had the impression only the key that came with the installation CD would work with that CD during the install process.

This will be the first time I'm putting the same OS on 2 different computers and I want to make certain they'll both be able to receive updates.


T'anks.
You should only be getting an OEM version if you're buying a piece of computer hardware (i,e motherboard, CPU, ram, hard disk or complete system), Any retailer who sells you an OEM version without meeting that requirement is in breach of Microsoft's conditions.

Secondly all the actual software is the same, a retail key will not install with a verison from an OEM DVD.

Finally the keys sold on e-bay etc will likely be tracked down and disabled by Microsoft. They usally licence keys that have come with a Technet or Action Pack licence which aren't to be sold or used in a production environment.

Also you may not be able to install the OEM version on a computer that has an existing version of Windows on it (I could be wrong) which would require you to wipe the operating system and install afresh.

Finally while you might get away with installing it once on both machines if you generally only get to activations before you have to call Microsoft (and then you might find it gets a bit tricky becasue you have breached the licence conditions) Your best bet - buy at least one upgrade version. If you need more ram or hard disk space for your computer then by all means get the second as an OEM version but cost wise you're not really going to be out in front of getting an upgrade version.

Also remember for furture reference - asking questions in here that could be taking as you're planning to breach copyright will see your OP editted out then thread locked.
 
Easy answer...go to Costco. They have a 3-pack of windows 7 Home Premium available for $124. Unless you desperately need the bells and whistles that come with the other versions, this is the way to go.
 
Firstly, I have no intention of infringing on or pirating anything, but obviously don't want to pay for 2 full versions either. I want to do everything all legal-like. Hence the asking of questions before I pay for anything.

I do want Ultimate, any multiple license versions of that?

As far as the upgrade version, I have XPx64 as the main OS right now, but intend to keep it as the secondary OS in a dual-boot set-up after installing the fresh copy of Win7. At least for a while in case any necessary apps don't like Win7. I may even reinstall XPx64 at that point since it's been acting a little strange lately.

My current copy of XPx64 is an OEM that was purchased on ebay and the original XP (also OEM) I bought while building the machine was purchased from TigerDirect. Now TigerDirect and Amazon both have OEM versions for sale, I'm not sure if the sellers bother to send some small circuit board along so it's included with "hardware" like used to be done.

As far as the XPx64 I've been running for about a year and a half, never had any problems updating or with multiple re-installations on the same machine. Obviously they won't "support" the OEM version with any tech support, but even MS tech support is useless, so I don't consider that any loss.

So, forgetting the ebay sellers, is the only proper way to get 1 DVD with multiple licenses is to buy the 3 license version?
 
Also remember for furture reference - asking questions in here that could be taking as you're planning to breach copyright will see your OP editted out then thread locked.

To be fair, his original question is whether the same dvd will work with 2 different license keys, which is a perfectly reasonable question considering situations where you end up with 2 legally obtained keys but only 1 piece of media.
 
The thing with the ebay sellers is, there are dozens of them, each selling dozens of licenses, so how can they get that many from these "Technet or Action Pack" that were mentioned above?

Are they actually trying to sell the same key many times over?

I bought Cyberlink PowerDirector off ebay a while back. What I received was a copied CD with a key, which worried me at first. But according to Cyberlink, that was OK since they sell "multiple licenses" to resellers, who can then burn physical copies rather than just sell downloaded versions. The reseller pays for the licenses and resells them at a profit.
 
I do want Ultimate, any multiple license versions of that?

Just had a look at the Microsoft website and it looks like it's only Home Premium that comes in the bundle. Ultimate has features that take it above the Professional Version so it's unlikely Microsoft see any value to a bundle price.

As far as the upgrade version, I have XPx64 as the main OS right now, but intend to keep it as the secondary OS in a dual-boot set-up after installing the fresh copy of Win7. At least for a while in case any necessary apps don't like Win7. I may even reinstall XPx64 at that point since it's been acting a little strange lately.

There's a second option. Windows 7 Ultimate comes with built in virtualisation that will allow you to run apps under an XP environment so in way you're getting two OSes for the price of one.

Also unless you put the Windows 7 onto a second drive/partition you're not going to be able to dual boot. When Vista came out (and continued with 7) if you're not upgrading the old version it detects the old operating system and moves into a folder called windows.old along with the contents of the program files and users directories. This ensures that there's nothing left that will conflict with the new version at the same time providing you access to the old stuff in case you need something (so make sure yo have oodles of disk space available).

My current copy of XPx64 is an OEM that was purchased on ebay and the original XP (also OEM) I bought while building the machine was purchased from TigerDirect. Now TigerDirect and Amazon both have OEM versions for sale, I'm not sure if the sellers bother to send some small circuit board along so it's included with "hardware" like used to be done.

Probably an OEM version bought with hardware but the person didn't want to use it. I've never bought software from Amazon or TigerDirect so I'm not sure how they manage to do (Microsoft must of approved it under some critera - maybe when you go to check out it flags that you haven't bought anything else).

To qualify for OEM in the past it's generally had to be a complete new system or a system component that would allow you to run the version of windows - e.g motherboard, CPU, ram or hard disk and couldn't be a peripheral such as keyboard or monitor.

As far as the XPx64 I've been running for about a year and a half, never had any problems updating or with multiple re-installations on the same machine. Obviously they won't "support" the OEM version with any tech support, but even MS tech support is useless, so I don't consider that any loss.

You've been luck then but Microsoft have really tightened up on the activation in recent years - there was concern when Vista came out that simply changing a video card was enough to enough to require a reactivtion as it would of resulted in a different system ID number (an internal hash value used by Windows and generated using information from the system components).

Something just struck me - are you sure it was an OEM key? (might off been just sold that way but you couldn't tell). There are only two times when you wouldn't get prompted for a licence key witn XP. First if you have an OEM version from Dell, HP etc etc and re-installed in on there hardware (it reads from the bios) or it was an Open Licence key that was used in a business (though you need to have an Open Licence edition CD).

So, forgetting the ebay sellers, is the only proper way to get 1 DVD with multiple licenses is to buy the 3 license version?

pretty much yes.

Also remember for furture reference - asking questions in here that could be taking as you're planning to breach copyright will see your OP editted out then thread locked.
To be fair, his original question is whether the same dvd will work with 2 different license keys, which is a perfectly reasonable question considering situations where you end up with 2 legally obtained keys but only 1 piece of media.

His post could of been taken to mean that he intended to buy a product key from a seller on e-bay and they are for the most part not selling a legal product.

The thing with the ebay sellers is, there are dozens of them, each selling dozens of licenses, so how can they get that many from these "Technet or Action Pack" that were mentioned above?

Are they actually trying to sell the same key many times over?

An action pack licence for say Windows 7 will be 10 users i.e the product key will activate 10 times (maybe 20 to give you leeway if you have to re-install).

The same goes for Windows 7 Ultimate through an Technet subscription.

But as I said the danger is that Microsoft will track down the keys and remove them from activation and then you're either hoping you never have to re-activate or you have to purchase a new licence.

I bought Cyberlink PowerDirector off ebay a while back. What I received was a copied CD with a key, which worried me at first. But according to Cyberlink, that was OK since they sell "multiple licenses" to resellers, who can then burn physical copies rather than just sell downloaded versions. The reseller pays for the licenses and resells them at a profit.

Cyberlink is very different from Microsft. Microsoft will never allow resellers to copy their media for distribution. That's why now it you say get an Dell computer you don't get any media with it. Dell isn't allowed to provide OS install media so you hve to generate it yourself.

Hell Microosft won't even allow the mirroring of their patches and updates even through systems such as Akami - you have to go right back to Microsoft as the source.
 
Thanks for the many replies.

Right now XPx64 is on one physical HDD and Win7 RC is on a second physical HDD. Been running it like that since W7 Beta, then reinstalled once RC came out (I may have also re-installed XP at this same time for other reasons and/or to get rid of the dual boot screen for a while). This was around the time I was perfecting a slipstreamed install for XPx64.

So, right after the various ASUS screens, it gives me the option of "previous version of Windows" & "Windows 7". In Win7 Startup & Recovery section I made the "previous version" the default since Win7 was more of a test thing, and gave myself 30 seconds to choose otherwise.

If that virtualization thing is like you say, I may not re-install XP at all. I'll have to see if it does what I may need it to do. Again, everything might install & run OK under Win7, I don't have any apps that are too old.

At the time I bought XPx64 OEM off ebay, I remember there being an awful lot of them available, I just went for the cheapest Buy-It-Now option. Who knows where so may copies come from, plus the fact places like TigerDirect also sell OEMs without hardware. Go figure, MS might just be focusing on actual pirating and generally ignoring the "OEM goes with a system" rule.

I remember the "hardware" rule too. I bought Win2K as an OEM, and it came with some unrecognizable, very small, circuit board (might have been some early laptop component).
 
Thanks for the many replies.
So, right after the various ASUS screens, it gives me the option of "previous version of Windows" & "Windows 7". In Win7 Startup & Recovery section I made the "previous version" the default since Win7 was more of a test thing, and gave myself 30 seconds to choose otherwise.

Microsoft changed the boot system when they developed Vista. XP and Win2K would of both listed at startup - now you get the Windows7 and Older Version.

If that virtualization thing is like you say, I may not re-install XP at all. I'll have to see if it does what I may need it to do. Again, everything might install & run OK under Win7, I don't have any apps that are too old.
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What apps you think might cause problems? Also remember that as with any virtualisation system you don't get direct access to the hardware. USB, serial and lpt ports pass through but access to video cards is an emulation system.

I've just checked and the emulated video in XP mode is a S3 Trio/64 which is card popular about 15 years ago so it will display you Word document but don't try playing the latest FPS on it.

I remember the "hardware" rule too. I bought Win2K as an OEM, and it came with some unrecognizable, very small, circuit board (might have been some early laptop component).

Card wasn't labelled GNDN?
 
I don't remember it having a label, might have even been a laptop RAM card. It was several years ago though.

I don't really know what apps might be problematic. I haven't installed too much under Win7 RC, just some basic, non-licensed stuff. I'll have to re-install Office 2007, Photoshop, etc. under Win7. Those things have had to be re-installed each time I redid the OS, even though they're on a 3rd HDD.

I wish I didn't have to re-install all that crap every time, but it's another anti-piracy measure I'm sure. Keeps us from copying it to another machine and having it auto-update under the registry.
 
I don't remember it having a label, might have even been a laptop RAM card. It was several years ago though.

I don't really know what apps might be problematic. I haven't installed too much under Win7 RC, just some basic, non-licensed stuff. I'll have to re-install Office 2007, Photoshop, etc. under Win7. Those things have had to be re-installed each time I redid the OS, even though they're on a 3rd HDD.

I wish I didn't have to re-install all that crap every time, but it's another anti-piracy measure I'm sure. Keeps us from copying it to another machine and having it auto-update under the registry.

Okay word from the wise who's spent time dealing with Adobe's crap. When you go to uninstall it, there's usually an option to deactivate the product first. When you deactive it you can then simply move the licence to another machine - no mess no fuss.

Also check for any updates from Adobe after re-installing but before activating. This way if the thing frells up you don't have to worry about blowing your activation if you can't uninstall (though you can call Adobe and they will clear it for you - been there done that.

Same with Windows 7 and Office 2007 (which installs on 7 without a hitch). Both Windows and Office will give you 30 days to activate which is more than enough time in case you screw something up (yes I've been there done that too :)

I had thought of the card being a memory module but thought a star trek joke might work better. GNDN (Goes Nowhwere, Does Nothing) has appeared as set sign on a few occasions.
 
Yeah, I know about the Adobe thing, especially where PS is concerned, when I didn't deactivate before re-installation of Windows.

Then, when I tried to re-install PS, it gave me the "XXX # of installations passed" thing. Had to call them on the phone and get it reset. At least their customer support was able to do that.
 
Yeah, I know about the Adobe thing, especially where PS is concerned, when I didn't deactivate before re-installation of Windows.

Then, when I tried to re-install PS, it gave me the "XXX # of installations passed" thing. Had to call them on the phone and get it reset. At least their customer support was able to do that.

Probably a good thing given the problems you can run into with Adobe products (admitted I've dealt with CS3/4 rather than PS).
 
Sort of an update.

Got the OEM version of Win7 Ultimate.

Even as the "finished" version, it installed in less time than I can remember any version of Windows doing. Maybe 20 minutes.

It's already been activated and gotten it's first load of updates.

Having skipped Vista altogether, I must say, I haven't had an OS capable of automatically finding the drivers for various hardware like this one does.

I used to have to load the motherboard disc to even be able to get on the internet, now that's automatic.

It found drivers for my video card & TV capture card with only minimal help from me.
 
Sort of an update.

Got the OEM version of Win7 Ultimate.

Even as the "finished" version, it installed in less time than I can remember any version of Windows doing. Maybe 20 minutes.

It's already been activated and gotten it's first load of updates.

Having skipped Vista altogether, I must say, I haven't had an OS capable of automatically finding the drivers for various hardware like this one does.

I used to have to load the motherboard disc to even be able to get on the internet, now that's automatic.

it's alwasy been automatic via plug and play aka plug and pray. The problem comes when you use hardware that was released after the operating system went into production so while your system has been full detected if you were to buy say a new motherboard next year with SATA-3 and USB3 you might find it's a different kettle of fish.
 
Hopefully, I won't have to buy another motherboard for a while.

I had to get one this week after my power supply did in the last one, and it was less than a year old.
 
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