Windows 10

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

Nothing I've read here makes me want to even *try* W10. I miss 7 but had to go back to XP because I lost my 7 install disk in a move but I can't get rid of that XP box. Still, even 98 sound better than 10. Is Microsoft *really* trying to push people onto dumb terminals?!?

You can download Win 7. All you need to run it permanently is a valid product key.
I bought a new PC a while back and didn't want to buy a new OS but also didn't have my old installation DVD.
so I pulled the key from the old system and used it on the new....

 

[USS KG5]

Which is why the whole cloud idea is so dangerous because companies can not be trusted to really develop a safe service because everything can be hacked if it's on the internet and the payoff is worth it.

All computers are on the internet these days, secured by the same principles with similar software. The fappening exploit discussed is a weakness of poor software engineering, the cloud had nothing to do with it. If it is live on your pc, it is in theory as accessible as iCloud.

People are just too trusting and too lazy nowadays to look a little bit more indepth at these services. They're easy to use and very convenient but putting highly sensitive data like nude pictures in them is very dumb (especially if you are a well liked celebrity).

There is nothing inherently more insecure about the cloud than your own server. Shit software can and does exist everywhere.

That said, given the stupidity of the exploit used, its amazing apple havent been pilloried in the press (MS would have been), guess those tech journalists love the taste of apple-flavoured dick still!

Personally i'll wait and see what happens with Win10 once it's fully released and people had time to really test it. Win8 was utter garbage and i cursed quite a few times when i had to install it on my dad's new netbook so i gave this one a wide pass.

I'll get it day one, to see how it all goes together. As with Vista/7 I think we will see a similar jump with Windows 10.

The biggest problem I had with Win 8 (I really wasn't bothered about metro) was instability caused by third part shell extensions after I upgraded. My fault for upgrading rather than installing clean perhaps, but it was very weird.

 

[Amaris]

You know, I didn't see people mob Apple for such a stupid oversight. That was surprising. Yes, if it would have been Microsoft, they would have tried to eat them alive, but Apple? Eh, it happens? I mean, there was no one that said "Hey guys, letting people have unlimited tries without breaking it up might lead to dictionary hacking?" Really? Also, are all of my sentences going to end in question marks? Yes?

 

[137th Gebirg]

Which is why the whole cloud idea is so dangerous because companies can not be trusted to really develop a safe service because everything can be hacked if it's on the internet and the payoff is worth it.

Ugh...the cloud...it really should be called "The Java of distributed storage" - inexplicably catching on like gangbusters, yet few people know how to architect or implement it properly without tons of leaks and vulnerabilities (just ask all those nekkid celebs!)

Glad to see MS is finally unphucking itself from the previous years' Win8 and XBone Kinect debacles. It does seem to be learning that a corporation alone cannot always effectively drive change, but it should be a collaborative effort between the developers and users. Only Apple seemed to be able to get away with it without much user input in the last couple decades, but not so much any more.

And I agree, the keylogger thing is highly disturbing. I genuinely hope this is for testing purposes alone and won't be active when it goes into production. As a developer, I can't imagine how many hundreds of times I've asked my users to recall the precise steps they took to find a bug so I could reproduce the same conditions. I'm thinking the keylogger is an intriguing (albeit somewhat invasive) way of accomplishing just that, like a kind of in-flight recorder to trace a user's activities prior to a fatal crash. I would be HIGHLY surprised if it existed beyond beta. If it does, I guarantee someone will find it with a packet sniffer and quickly port-blocked.

There may yet be hope for the future...

 

[eyeresist]

I'm thinking the keylogger is an intriguing (albeit somewhat invasive) way of accomplishing just that, like a kind of in-flight recorder to trace a user's activities prior to a fatal crash. I would be HIGHLY surprised if it existed beyond beta. If it does, I guarantee someone will find it with a packet sniffer and quickly port-blocked.

Yes, people are very quick to hold MS to account. I can imagine Apple users getting very defensive if their beloved company tried something similar!

 

[DarthTom]

There is nothing inherently more insecure about the cloud than your own server. Shit software can and does exist everywhere.

I was thinking about the cloud issue related to my own iPhone 6. Doesn't Siri essentially operate in a cloud and couldn't Apple store not only the users inquiries to Siri but also where the phone traveled using GPS?

This fails however to solve the problem that if some of the MS 10 software exists in the cloud and from what I understand some IT professionals concerns about security in such an environment.

In other words, a personal phone isn't the same thing as MS 10 on hundreds of desktop computers at companies that are desperately trying to control access to their systems.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

There is nothing inherently more insecure about the cloud than your own server. Shit software can and does exist everywhere.

I was thinking about the cloud issue related to my own iPhone 6. Doesn't Siri essentially operate in a cloud and couldn't Apple store not only the users inquiries to Siri but also where the phone traveled using GPS?

It's not a question of "could." They definitely do this. (So does Google, for that matter.)

This fails however to solve the problem that if some of the MS 10 software exists in the cloud and from what I understand some IT professionals concerns about security in such an environment.

MS is not going to run critical OS components from the cloud. Number one, operating systems just don't work that way. Number two, business customers wouldn't stand for it, and MS isn't that stupid.

In other words, a personal phone isn't the same thing as MS 10 on hundreds of desktop computers at companies that are desperately trying to control access to their systems.

MS is run by boneheads but they know what side their bread is buttered on. They want Windows 10 to be adopted by businesses like Windows 7 has been, and to that end I'm sure they've taken security concerns seriously.

When MS is talking about portions of the OS being in the cloud, they're almost certainly referring to things like your personal files and documents (My Documents, etc.) going up into a OneDrive account (or whatever the hell they call it.) IT staff will almost surely disable this function to avoid data breaches.

 

[DarthTom]

IT staff will almost surely disable this function to avoid data breaches.

I'm sure you're right. Shit, at my job I cannot even update Adobe or even Firefox or any other program without an administrator password and any file with file extension *.exe is blocked from downloading.

 

[USS KG5]

IT staff will almost surely disable this function to avoid data breaches.

Indeed, you can already disable much of the consumer functionality through group policy in Win 8, including preventing associating a microsoft account and disabling the store.

One simple change, to let users default to a windows 7 desktop if they wanted, and simply provide a windows 7.1, and all the fuss could have been avoided!

 

[FPAlpha]

There is nothing inherently more insecure about the cloud than your own server. Shit software can and does exist everywhere.

I was thinking about the cloud issue related to my own iPhone 6. Doesn't Siri essentially operate in a cloud and couldn't Apple store not only the users inquiries to Siri but also where the phone traveled using GPS?

You can bet your ass they could, question is if they do and if they would admit to it?

Facebook and Google do this more or less openly, it's one of their main ways to generate revenue by selling user data and using that data to create tailored ads for you.

Nowadays when you install an App (at least on my Android phone) you get a list of access privileges the app needs to run, anyone think that a simple game needs to know where i am or that it needs access to my contacts list?

In decades past before the internet companies paid a premium and employed legions of customer research companies to find out what their customers want and how to sell it to them. Nowadays all you need is a popular app and the modern user who doesn't give a shit what kind of data their phone transmits.

Granted.. the companies can't really kick your door in and force you to buy their stuff but technology and our laziness/indifference has opened the door to abuse wide open.

 

[DarthTom]

Granted.. the companies can't really kick your door in and force you to buy their stuff but technology and our laziness/indifference has opened the door to abuse wide open.

Agree. It's already creepy enough than when I go to the Walmart website 15 minutes later I get an e-mail from them.

Shit even here on the Trek BBS if I go to another browser and say type in office supplies - office supply ads are popping up on the ad screens.

 

[137th Gebirg]

^^^ Flush out all your cookies on the HDD. Should clear up most of that. Haven't quite figured out how to permanently remove them on a mobile device yet though.