Why not beam people through the pathfinder data stream?

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Voyager' started by GeneHunt, Aug 9, 2011.

  1. GeneHunt

    GeneHunt Commander Red Shirt

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    Sure I know it would be reisky and everything but couldnt they just beam people through the data stream? like what they did with the canister in the the episode with the microwormhole?

    They could also have put a new crew on Voyager once they are all beamed away so they can continue to explore the Delta Quadrant - have a rotating crew but the same ship.

    Thoughts?
     
  2. MacLeod

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    From memory in "Eye of the Needle" they used a frequency close to the Transporter frequency in order to make contact with the Romulan Ship.

    With the MIDAS array that starfleet was using to contact them, perhaps the frequecy window used was outside of the transporter frquency window and it wouldn't wotk at those frequecy, or the signal loss ratio was too high for safe transport.
     
  3. exodus

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    I would think peoples DNA pattern would be more complex than a data stream.
    Plus, we've seen times when a data stream can be garbled, lost or tampered with.
    That's too high a risk to send a person through such a means of travel.
     
  4. The_Baron

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    Coulda tested it out by sending Kim through first.
    No loss if it goes wrong.
     
  5. KNH

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    We've had characters doubled by transporter hiccups before (Thomas Riker anyone?).

    Do you really want to take the chance of having two Harry Kims mucking about?
     
  6. Enterprise1981

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    Simply because things are only impossible in the Trek until they're not. And what would have done with Voyager? Put it on self-destruct or leave it fall into the hands of hostile aliens? The latter seemed implied when they were ready to beam the whole crew a Romulan science vessel in the Alpha Quadrant. That idea itself was silly, because who is say the captain wouldn't have turned them over to Tal Shiar, especially if he was to eventually learn the crew was from twenty years in the future.
     
  7. Destructor

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    Something to do with the [tech].
     
  8. Chuckling

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    Nothing ventured, nothing gained. :bolian:

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  9. Anwar

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    It's quite a distance to be beamed over, and there's the possibility something would happen during each transfer (or one big mass transfer) to disrupt the beam and kill everybody.
     
  10. Timo

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    ...In general, transporters are one of the least robust pieces of treknology. They can kill you even in the most benign operating conditions. It would be a really desperate move to operate them when conditions get adverse beyond a certain limit.

    One might argue that staying in the Delta Quadrant is a risk and getting home equates survival. But if getting home requires the use of the transporter in adverse conditions, then staying put is survival, and trying to get home is an unacceptable risk.

    In this case, the transporter wouldn't be going from A to B through a shortcut in space, like in "Eye of the Needle" where the wormhole (albeit very tight) appeared to be a real "hole", a benign path for probes or Space Mice or radio waves or transporter signals to crawl through. Rather, in this case, the transporter beam would be squeezing itself into an alien environment, quite unlike open space in nature, that could pose serious threats to the beam.

    It's probably like getting from East Berlin to West Berlin by two means: walking through a hole in the Wall, or climbing over the Wall on barbed wire and jumping down onto further barbed wire. The former is the standard, benign environment for human movement, and the only risk comes from not knowing who's watching. The latter calls for nonstandard modes of motion that present a constant risk.

    Timo Saloniemi
     
  11. G2309

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    :lol: It's a dilema that might have been dicussed. Harry probably would have volunteered.
     
  12. Kemaiku

    Kemaiku Admiral Admiral

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    Yup, every single transmission that went through the MIDAS to Voyager was garbled and incomplete, its not terribly bad when you lose a tiny piece of an image or your video is always slightly grainy, but sending people through missing pieces of their body? not such a good idea.
     
  13. Anwar

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    It's the same reason they never considered just putting themselves all into stasis and setting the ship to autopilot: Too many variables in the plan.
     
  14. Destructor

    Destructor Commodore Commodore

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    Yes, the extremely hostile aliens they ran into every other week would certainly have put a damper on that plan.
     
  15. Gary7

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    We don't know what the delay factor involved is. Across such a vast distance, it may not be possible for the transporter system to do a proper checksum in sufficient time, to verfiy that the data stream has been totally error free on the destination end. Any kind of noise might interfere with a clean transmission... you could end up with a person missing some brain cells or other compromised organ(s). Probably not worth the risk...
     
  16. Anwar

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    We already saw what happened to folks in a malfunctioning transporter in TMP, and that was just from Earth to something in orbit.
     
  17. Timo

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    One wonders how badly the EMH really was damaged during his back-and-forth journey across the galaxy...

    Timo Saloniemi
     
  18. exodus

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    That's why the Federation has such a thing as Section 31, to counteract, defend and protect it's citizens/officers from terrorist acts of other governments.
     
  19. Destructor

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    Presumably he's not quite as complicated as we are, not having any internal organs and whatnot.
     
  20. Kadratis

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    Well, Harry is already a quantum duplicate (Deadlock). :p