Every so often, somebody asks why being a hit on iTunes won't save a show. Finally I've found an article that gives some context of iTunes vs DVD sales vs live TV viewing in the grand scheme of things.
why iTunes doesn't matter
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Ah, right. Cool.
Well, it's really just economies of scale - which is why, I imagine anyway, the Stargate DVDs are making money and that they are trying to pump out more of them.
I'd be curious to see how much money Whedon's Doctor Horrible made over the summer. He's probably one of the few people who could get much more than 25,000 people to pay for any content that he produces so I'm sure he made money out of the endeavor.
I'd be curious to see how much money Whedon's Doctor Horrible made over the summer. He's probably one of the few people who could get much more than 25,000 people to pay for any content that he produces so I'm sure he made money out of the endeavor.
I believe in an interview he said that the budget was $100,000 with people being paid for their time, and $200,000 with everyone being paid residuals and giving people a little extra for doing it, and they're well past making that back and going in to profit.
He did say the suits aren't lying when they say it's hard to monetise the net, but it can, and is being done, and they're lagging behind when they should be championing it.
I don't know how easy it is to make money from purely internet based drama or comedy, but it seems possible to make money out of purely internet based television.
At least, Revision 3 seem able to do it.
At least, Revision 3 seem able to do it.
I'm sick of the ad based TV revenue model. How much does something like Battlestar Galactica cost per episode? What constitutes a decent profit, and how many people paying what price would it take?
Forcing every episode to be exactly 42 minutes, with set breaks to insert ads that try to burrow into your subconscious is ridiculous. Theoretically we're watching the ads to spend more money on the product that paid for the ads in the first place, so we're already paying extra money to watch commercials. I love capitalism and all, but marketing and sales people make me want to sign up for the nearest hardcore communist party sometimes.
I've taken to downloading episodes of all my scripted shows. What's even more ridiculous is if I want good resolution (720p) the likes of iTunes isn't there to sell it to me. I don't want to flip about on a DVR while some bean counter tries to calculate how big a discount the ad should sell for when people are viewing it on 8x fast forward.
Who knows, maybe as a TV pirate, and internet ad non-clicker, morons who are distracted by 'shiny' and buy this crap are subsidizing my viewing habits and I should be thankful. But then again, it looks to me as though my kind of programming is going extinct in favor of whatever requires the shortest attention span.
Or maybe it's just late and I'm rambling semi-cohrently because there's a strange smell in my apartment that I can't pinpoint and it's keeping me from sleeping.
Forcing every episode to be exactly 42 minutes, with set breaks to insert ads that try to burrow into your subconscious is ridiculous. Theoretically we're watching the ads to spend more money on the product that paid for the ads in the first place, so we're already paying extra money to watch commercials. I love capitalism and all, but marketing and sales people make me want to sign up for the nearest hardcore communist party sometimes.
I've taken to downloading episodes of all my scripted shows. What's even more ridiculous is if I want good resolution (720p) the likes of iTunes isn't there to sell it to me. I don't want to flip about on a DVR while some bean counter tries to calculate how big a discount the ad should sell for when people are viewing it on 8x fast forward.
Who knows, maybe as a TV pirate, and internet ad non-clicker, morons who are distracted by 'shiny' and buy this crap are subsidizing my viewing habits and I should be thankful. But then again, it looks to me as though my kind of programming is going extinct in favor of whatever requires the shortest attention span.
Or maybe it's just late and I'm rambling semi-cohrently because there's a strange smell in my apartment that I can't pinpoint and it's keeping me from sleeping.
People are used to their TV not costing them anything, despite the fact that it does - it just gets added on at the checkout when they buy their groceries.
I doubt any model where people just pay for TV outright is ever going to be all that successful.
For the sake of accuracy, iTunes offers many shows in HD and has done since the launch of iTunes 8.
I doubt any model where people just pay for TV outright is ever going to be all that successful.
For the sake of accuracy, iTunes offers many shows in HD and has done since the launch of iTunes 8.
Well that's discounting the fact that people already do pay outright for TV, whether that's the likes of the BBC Licence fee, Premium subscription channels like HBO and Showtime. Or cable/satellite subscriptions in general, which are subsidised by advertising, but you still don't get for free.
The amount of money you pay per month for a Sky subscription is tiny compared to the vast amount of programming available.
It's only when you go premium (with things like Sky Movies and Sky Sports) that the broadcaster starts to see more of it.
Even then, a lot of people with more basic Sky or cable packages are cutting off those off in favour of Freeview.
The BBC License Fee is more of a tax than a fee.
But how much of Sky/Cable would people actually watch if they could pay on a channel by channel, or series subscription basis? I know when I had Sky there was only something like 5 shows I regularly watched on channels that we're part of Freeview or broadcasting free-to-air anyway.
If I could have subscribed on a channel by channel basis, I would have only had Sky One, FX, Sci-Fi and perhaps Living or Bravo.
Also, wasn't there just a report published that almost 50% of Virgin Media customers use VOD on a regular basis, plus there's services like BT Vision which are almost exclusively VOD, I think people would likely choose to subscribe to VOD services, over pay per show, or buy the full series releases on DVD.
^Depends on what they mean by using video on demand. People with their XL package can watch it for free and a lot of the content is free anyway - particularly the iPlayer stuff.
If people had to pay on a channel by channel basis then they would be more selective, yes. I certainly wouldn't have Liverpool.tv in my selection given then choice.
As it stands, I have to pay for all of those channels in order to just get what I do watch - namely Sky Sports.
If people had to pay on a channel by channel basis then they would be more selective, yes. I certainly wouldn't have Liverpool.tv in my selection given then choice.
As it stands, I have to pay for all of those channels in order to just get what I do watch - namely Sky Sports.
Yeah, I guess the point is that for 40 bucks or whatever, you can pretty much get an unlimited amount of programming... whereas that same money could only get you a season of a show.
Now, if you only watch like one TV show because you're super pretentious and hate TV, that might work out for you.
Of course, now there's streaming on demand TV so I wonder how that plays a part... One channel in Canada runs a single ad between each segment online... and I imagine Hulu must do something similar.
Now, if you only watch like one TV show because you're super pretentious and hate TV, that might work out for you.
Of course, now there's streaming on demand TV so I wonder how that plays a part... One channel in Canada runs a single ad between each segment online... and I imagine Hulu must do something similar.
I don't know about Hulu as I am not American. I imagine there are a few ads here and there. BBC iPlayer does not have ads because it's paid for by the licence fee.
iPlayer offers a 7-day catch up service for virtually all BBC programming either via the Internet (DRM'ed download or Flash streaming) or through other services like Virgin Media cable.
On the other hand, if I buy an episode of a TV show from iTunes it's mine for as long as I keep a copy of the file. It's more akin to buying DVDs than timeshifting.
While I don't "hate" TV, I only watch a limited amount. I pay quite a lot for Sky (satellite) TV because in order to receive Sky Sports (and the Premier League football that goes with it) you have to subscribe to the rest.
It's not the price that puts me off, therefore, it's the decreasing amount of television made with my interests in mind.
ITV and Channel 4 both have catch up services that run ads, ITV has 2 short ads between sections. I don't remember on Channel 4.
I think we've fairly well established that there is absolutely nothing on ITV or Channel 4 that I would possibly ever want to catch up with.
I was posting that for Firehawk, comparing our catch up services to North America.
I think we've fairly well established that there is absolutely nothing on ITV or Channel 4 that I would possibly ever want to catch up with.
ITV are at least trying a bit harder to have decent programming lately, which I will give them credit for.
I think we've fairly well established that there is absolutely nothing on ITV or Channel 4 that I would possibly ever want to catch up with.
Tuesday night Champions League? Or are we working on the assumption that you'd watch that live anyway?
Other than that, for the moment I watch the Championship highlights and that's about it for me as well.
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