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Why don't other Klingons challenge L'Rell for a fight to control the empire?

Jayson1

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I just don't see how a doomsday bomb would be enough to keep control. We know from Gowron anyone can challenge the leader for command. I asume they don't do it all the time because most leaders have other houses and allies who will back you until you do something that really is a disaster. Who is going to have her back? They were basically outcasts and nobody s going to support someone who takes command in a kind of sneaky way instead of ritual combat. Plus she got help from humans and Gowron distanced himself from Picard. In theory you would think she would be challenged so much that she would eventually loose to someone because nobody could handle that much fighting or sheer bad luck in one fight. Any chance we see her eventually loose command to Gorkon?


Jason
 
Well, she held up a convincing-looking device, claimed it was a bomb that would blow up everything everywhere, and as we know Klingons to be a very trusting sort, that was just the end of it. It didn't occur to any of the other Klingons to wait until L'Rell took a nap and then kill her, either, because hey, everything was settled by that point.
 
Perhaps this is why Klingon woman aren't allowed on the council. L'Rell's actions tainted them.

Maybe but Gorkon's daughter took over after he was killed so the no women on the council thing must have come after that. Maybe because of Gorkon's daughter. I could see her being disgraced because a bunch of old hardliners didn't like the idea of making peace with the Federation and maybe K,mpec came along and found away to please both sides because as Worf would know he would make deals for the sake of the Empire.

Jason
 
I don't think we need to assume L'Rell's grip of the Empire's throat was any less or more solid than that of previous or later leaders. Bosses come and go; they don't remain in power due to anything as fleeting as campaign promises ("I will not blow up this planet if you obey me"), but through the classics: finding powerful cohorts who agree to let the current clown reign so that they can have all the niceties of being on the side of the boss without having to be the boss.

L'Rell would have plenty of cohorts standing by, as her House is one of the Great ones, supposedly with creepy tentacles in the groins of all the others. And there'd be plenty of loose muscle around at the time, too, as Kol's alliance-happy allies would now be free to ally with somebody else for their alliance needs.

Why should anybody feel the need to depose L'Rell at once? Klingons love having leaders. But having weak leaders is better than having strong ones: if you depose a weak leader, you make little impression, but if you let a strong one stand, he may eventually come to do some actual leading - and Klingons don't really love being led, by their leaders or by anybody else.

Leadership is just a great excuse for doing things - hence, T'Kumva's initial success. Everybody already had their fun with the UFP war, and (as established in the strategy meeting) nobody actually cared about winning. L'Rell is an excellent excuse for having peace and showing off your loot. When the War Tooth begins to itch again, then it may be time to change leaders. But before that, somebody will have to do something about the volatile basements of Qo'noS. Why not let the current leader handle the chore?

Timo Saloniemi
 
I don't think we need to assume L'Rell's grip of the Empire's throat was any less or more solid than that of previous or later leaders. Bosses come and go; they don't remain in power due to anything as fleeting as campaign promises ("I will not blow up this planet if you obey me"), but through the classics: finding powerful cohorts who agree to let the current clown reign so that they can have all the niceties of being on the side of the boss without having to be the boss.

L'Rell would have plenty of cohorts standing by, as her House is one of the Great ones, supposedly with creepy tentacles in the groins of all the others. And there'd be plenty of loose muscle around at the time, too, as Kol's alliance-happy allies would now be free to ally with somebody else for their alliance needs.

Why should anybody feel the need to depose L'Rell at once? Klingons love having leaders. But having weak leaders is better than having strong ones: if you depose a weak leader, you make little impression, but if you let a strong one stand, he may eventually come to do some actual leading - and Klingons don't really love being led, by their leaders or by anybody else.

Leadership is just a great excuse for doing things - hence, T'Kumva's initial success. Everybody already had their fun with the UFP war, and (as established in the strategy meeting) nobody actually cared about winning. L'Rell is an excellent excuse for having peace and showing off your loot. When the War Tooth begins to itch again, then it may be time to change leaders. But before that, somebody will have to do something about the volatile basements of Qo'noS. Why not let the current leader handle the chore?

Timo Saloniemi

This makes sense but ego can be a powerful thing. If you let yourself look like you have been manipulated that might not go over well. Only thing I could see her maybe winning them over is a call for more war and more expansion but maybe go after the Romulans or some easy to defeat worlds. This might be why they are still causing huge problems by the time of "TOS." In theory they might have just become even more dangerous and the Federation might have some blood on it's hands.

Jason
 
I just don't see how a doomsday bomb would be enough to keep control. We know from Gowron anyone can challenge the leader for command. I asume they don't do it all the time because most leaders have other houses and allies who will back you until you do something that really is a disaster. Who is going to have her back? They were basically outcasts and nobody s going to support someone who takes command in a kind of sneaky way instead of ritual combat. Plus she got help from humans and Gowron distanced himself from Picard. In theory you would think she would be challenged so much that she would eventually loose to someone because nobody could handle that much fighting or sheer bad luck in one fight. Any chance we see her eventually loose command to Gorkon?


Jason

The writers hope most viewers are too dumb or bored to wonder.
 
Given L'Rell's opportunistic tendencies, I have a feeling she will be killed off sooner rather than later.
 
Because that was one reason the ending of Season 1 was monumentally stupid. It makes no sense that she was not challenged; that everyone acquiesced as soon as she waved a blinking box; that a threat to blow up Q'onos would have that effect .... we've been down that road. Suffice to say it was dumb.

I assume they are going to challenge her big-time next year.

I am really, really hoping the writers have learned not to paint themselves into a corner requiring an instant one-episode fix. If I believed in God I'd pray on it.
 
Since we don't really see the wrap up, the Klingon politics will likely result in some infighting, possibly with even Voq deciding to work the situation to his advantage in the power struggle.
 
Multiple interviews have hinted that we will see her struggle to maintain leadership. I don't think that need be a question. What they do with it remains to be seen.
 
Well, there are two things that are probably (and would pretty much HAVE to) be going on in the background here:

1) The Klingons already know a bomb has been planted and they've seen the data that indicates what kind of damage it can do. They DON'T know why it hasn't gone off yet, and the great houses only assembled in the first place because they assumed L'Rell was being an errand girl to deliver negotiating terms or something

2) Despite their apparent gains in Federation space, the Klingons aren't actually winning the war. They've caused a lot of DAMAGE, blown up a lot of ships and sacked a couple of star bases, but it's turning into a strategic disaster for the Empire which now occupies more territory than they could ever realistically control, while also having demolished the means to actually exploit the resources they might have otherwise captured. They're exhausted, and the war is driving them all into collective bankruptcy, so L'Rell's stunt is as good an excuse as any to pull the plug.
 
Does anyone know when Gorkon takes power? Is their any canon data on how long he was in charge? If she does face a challenge he has got to at least be a player in those events I would think.

Jason
 
Because that was one reason the ending of Season 1 was monumentally stupid. It makes no sense that she was not challenged; that everyone acquiesced as soon as she waved a blinking box; that a threat to blow up Q'onos would have that effect .... we've been down that road. Suffice to say it was dumb.

I assume they are going to challenge her big-time next year.

I am really, really hoping the writers have learned not to paint themselves into a corner requiring an instant one-episode fix. If I believed in God I'd pray on it.
Well you see the Klingon War that sustained the first season had to be wrapped up super quick! We needed the airtime to hear Michael's speech.
 
5 seconds after the scene faded to black, one klingon shot the ipod out of hand(destroyed), while another put a hole in her head. L'rell had no more to say, for L'rell is dead.

The Klingon "fleet" hanging out by earth were getting confusing orders, got bored, and left to find more interesting ventures.
 
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