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Why do fans have a strict interpretation of Trek?

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Star Trek is probably the only fictional series that I've ever encountered where fans actively seek to restrict what can and cannot be considered "real" Trek.

Most fictional universes have few inherent restrictions on the types of stories that can be told within them and still be considered a viable part of the universe. As long as the story telling adheres to the rules and conventions of that universe, writers can feel free to visit any part of the universe.

For instance, despite all of the various incarnations of Star Wars stories, you rarely hear a Sat Wars fan say something like..."That's not Star Wars." Like fans anywhere, Star Wars fans argue about the varying quality of the stories, but no one ever argues that something is out of bounds for that universe. Thus, creatos are free to explore any part of that universe. They can follow pirates, bounty hunters, pilots, imperial officers, Republic politicians, spies, renegades, Jedi, Sith etc...and people will never get into an argument about the story's viability as part of the Universe. The same goes for Babylon 5, Stargate etc.

But some Star Trek fans have an almost rigid orthodoxy about what is and is not Star Trek. For some, if the stories deviate from the formula established for the Original Series, then some kind of way, its not viable as Star Trek.

For instance, some of the complaints about DS9 was that it was not Trek precisely because it was on a space station, and did not necessarily involve "boldly going." Its as if the only viable Star Trek is that which mimics the episodic planet hopping and exploration of the 60s series. Thus, unlike Star Wars, Star Trek is not a complete universe, but also a format and strict ideology. If a show followed the daily events of the Federation President, that would not be trek. Following engineers as they have adventures fixing things in Federation space would not be star trek. Following the work of Section 31, or the events on a distant starbase, or even getting to know a single race...cannot be considered viable Trek.

Is Trek the only fictional universe that have fans with a strict interpretation of what kinds of stories can and cannot be told and still be parts of the universe?

Why is Trek so much more rigid than other fictional universes.
 
For instance, despite all of the various incarnations of Star Wars stories, you rarely hear a Sat Wars fan say something like..."That's not Star Wars."

Oh, yes, you do!

Quite a few SW fans don't accept the Prequel Trilogy as a part of the "Star Wars Saga", think of it as AU, and/or call it SWINO (Star Wars In Name Only). Even though LFL has (vaguely) said all the Expanded Universe stuff is canon, that's tossed aside by some. And let's not get started about the theatrical Original Trilogy vs. the Special Edition Original Trilogy...
 
Great topic, OP.

I never really thought about it like that, but you're absolutely right. It's a shame too, because there are literally infinite possibilities to explore in the Star Trek universe.

I for one would like to know as much as possible about what's happening in the Star Trek Universe, whether that be exploring the galaxy aboard a single ship, operating a space station, following the day to day happenings in government, etc.... the more the better imo.
 
Other than the fact that what has appeared on screen is "official" since many earlier books contradicted what ended up on screen and even each other, I don't find that all that true. I find people have wide interpretations of Trek, and everyone picks out something different...

Even when it comes too what "can" be Trek, we've strayed in many aspects from Roddenberry's initial vision. The books, well, it's best to have continuity, but since the film and TV makers are free to contradict the books, it's best to not go anywhere near the "canon" issue.

And since there's a Jedi religion, I'm sure somewhere someone's started a Trek one... maybe. There's a Twilight one now...
 
Different people take different things from Star Trek. What one person likes to see in Star Trek isn't what someone else wants to see in Star Trek.

You will have people who believe that Trek should only be about the exploits of Kirk and Spock aboard the Enterprise, while others like to see anything but that...
 
Star Trek is probably the only fictional series that I've ever encountered where fans actively seek to restrict what can and cannot be considered "real" Trek.

So I take it you haven't met the BSG TOS crowd. ;)
 
Star Trek is probably the only fictional series that I've ever encountered where fans actively seek to restrict what can and cannot be considered "real" Trek.

So I take it you haven't met the BSG TOS crowd. ;)


Oh believe me I have. But the BSG thing is a bit different than what I'm talking about. That's about applying a common name to different universes.
 
For instance, despite all of the various incarnations of Star Wars stories, you rarely hear a Sat Wars fan say something like..."That's not Star Wars."

Oh, yes, you do!

Quite a few SW fans don't accept the Prequel Trilogy as a part of the "Star Wars Saga", think of it as AU, and/or call it SWINO (Star Wars In Name Only). Even though LFL has (vaguely) said all the Expanded Universe stuff is canon, that's tossed aside by some. And let's not get started about the theatrical Original Trilogy vs. the Special Edition Original Trilogy...


I see that as being different as well. The arguments about Star Wars usually revolves around the varying degrees of quality of various spinoff material. The arguments about the prequel trilogy had more to do with the questionable quality of the story telling as opposed to any sense that stories being told about the fall of the Republic were against the ethos of Star Wars. The same is true with the Special Edition debate. That is quality question. I've not encountered anyone in Star Wars fandom that argues that the only viable Star Wars stories are thoose involving Luke, Leia and Han fighting the Empire or should be limited to the Rebellion vs the Empire.

This is not really a discussion about canon. Its about the way that some fans want to limit the types of stories that can reasonably be told and still be called Star Trek.
 
Other than the fact that what has appeared on screen is "official" since many earlier books contradicted what ended up on screen and even each other, I don't find that all that true. I find people have wide interpretations of Trek, and everyone picks out something different...

Even when it comes too what "can" be Trek, we've strayed in many aspects from Roddenberry's initial vision. The books, well, it's best to have continuity, but since the film and TV makers are free to contradict the books, it's best to not go anywhere near the "canon" issue.

And since there's a Jedi religion, I'm sure somewhere someone's started a Trek one... maybe. There's a Twilight one now...


Its the whole idea of "straying from the initial vision" that I do take some issue with. GR created one show and told stories for that show. That does not mean that he thought that every subsequent show should have been about the same sort of stories. Consider the fact that Assignment Earth was set in the Trek Universe, but was certainly not about exploring strange new worlds.
 
If the argument among SW fans isn't about quality, it is about "straying from the initial vision" or retconning the initial vision.
 
I think there may be some truth in the idea that it is like a religion. Using the Star Wars example, George Lucas had read some of Joseph Campbell's works about mythology and comparative religion. He intentionally created Star Wars as a "modern myth", using Campbell's Hero With A Thousand Faces as a model. People latched on to it, relating to the main characters and their archetypal struggles.

I know Star Trek and other sci-fi were not created with the same intention, but Star Trek has had similar results. It serves a similar purpose to religion - provides role models that apply to both our present and gives us glimpses of a positive future to work toward.

I'm not suggesting that fans of any fictional series consciously put it in that context, as we do recognize it as fiction and are able to separate a made-up "universe" from the real religions we follow. The "religion" allegory only goes so far. But the way these stories explore the nature of humanity does resonate with people and can hold strong symbolic meaning.
 
If the argument among SW fans isn't about quality, it is about "straying from the initial vision" or retconning the initial vision.
True. The same is said of Superman, Batman, BSG, and Dr. Who. I even read similar statements about Transformers, and I predict this summer we'll hear the same about G.I. Joe and Land of the Lost! :lol:
 
Also being a Doctor Who fan (both old and new I consider the same show just continuing on from where it left off), I have seen many a Canon-or-Non argument. They could get very very heated at times. Particularly back when the TVM aired and the whole Half-human or not half-human canon argument started. Also with the Virgin books Vs. BBC books. Are Books Canon? Oh mercy... the memories of Rec.Arts.Drwho...
 
Only real weirdos get bent about the format of Trek stories. Presumably, even following the chief of janitorial operations on Starbase 3000 could be interesting in theory. On the other hand, you do see a lot of that sort of complaint. Maybe a lot of real weirdos like Star Trek.

Nah...:p

I'm sure I fall into the center of that venn diagram, but I'm one of the (perhaps few, perhaps many) real weirdos who argue for more continuity and much more world-building.

I find the emphasis on an "exploration" format from some fans to be truly puzzling. When you hear "exploration" around here, it usually doesn't mean what it does in general conversation, it means "throwing more nonsense at the screen and seeing what sticks, then not following up on it." Exploring, as far as I'm concerned, is breaking new ground, no matter where that ground is. On that basis, Homefront was as much about the exploration of the Star Trek universe as Where No One Has Gone Before. We don't need new aliens to call ourselves explorers when there are thousands of stories left untold about the aliens, and the humans, we have.
 
I'd say a key factor between Trek and Wars is that, on screen which is where most Trek fans concentrate naturally, we've only ever seen a set Trek formula. It's always a ship and a crew (even DS9 ended up dividing half it's time onto excursions on the Defiant). Wars, however, was about a myriad of characters - starship captains, Jedi's, racketeers, bounty hunters etc...

Obviously, Trek has explored different angles of it's universe in the novels but they're not considered canon (unlike some Wars books Lucas has stated ARE canon). And let's face it, a lot of Trek fans on TV aren't going to read the associated books - so they never see other sides of Trek that haven't appeared on the telly-box.
 
I think a more accurate statement for many of the less rabid fans, and one which would get their point across better and sound less petulant would be "that is not the aspect of the Star Trek universe which I am interested in exploring and I believe that by dedicating time and resources to that type of storyline you are depriving me of the type of stories which I am interested in seeing".

Now I know there are some fans that say "a Starfleet officer would never do this" or "a real Klingon should do that" but most of the people I speak to who dislike a particular series simply have no interest in watching that particular kind of story (ie DS9). For example I have no real objections to the story of the life of a janitor in Starfleet command but I wouldn't want to watch a 7 season series on it.

Now this in my opinion is different from nuBSG, or the theatrical versions of Transformers and G.I. Joe where the story is completely changed and the characters are unrecognizable both in physical appearance and behavior unless you are told who they are supposed to be. I have never seen Dr. Who but it is my understanding that while the Dr. changes physically throughout the years there is still some consistency throughout.

While I realize that excessive adherence to "canon" limits story telling, part of what I like about long running series is how current characters and situations relate to those that have come before. A series in which Data is a cat-like creature and Picard is a Swedish woman might make for a good story but it is clearly not "TNG" as we know it so expecting someone to like it because they liked TNG is unreasonable and you will have to generate an opinion on whether you like it or not from scratch. If additionally they feel that they are draining resources which could be used to tell the story they want to see their strong dislike is quite understandable.
 
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