It always bothered me a little how the Federation was quite passive when it came to certain things. Especially what they were willing to ignore. It's pretty clear that the Federation values free will a lot. And they want their citizens to be happy. But they seem to be letting Vulcans do things that may be seen as oppressive. Like their arranged marriages. They certainly put a lot of pressure on children to go through with it. The only way out seems to be pretty brutal and even then, it is still discouraged. Also, there is the fact that they think all Vuclans should control their emotions and claim it would be catastrophic and these Vulcans would hurt others and themselves. But, for all their faults, Romulans seem to have a functioning society. I think Vulcans could do without arranged marriages. And they have huge potential for generating problems. Why does the Federation allow that?
Why did the Federation tolerate some elements of Vulcan culture that actually may cause great harm to individuals?
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Internal matter.
But it may affect non - Vulcans, especially since Vulcans do mix up with and meet others.
How so? Kirk only stepped in to the challenge because he thought he needed to save Spock but no obligation was laid on him. Generally speaking, Vulcan polices and manages internal things strictly and not involving outsiders as much as possible.
But what if a Vulcan would want to marry someone else, like a non - Vulcan? Is it logical to not let them?
Then they would meet and determine next steps, as with any culture. We don't know how common the arranged marriage was, and it was part of Betazed culture too. Clearly things can be negotiated, as well as the fact that Tuvok did not have an arrangement for his marriage.
It certainly is better than pre - Federation.
Under what authority would they not? And who is The Federation? Why would Vulcan be a member if its culture is ignored or outlawed?
To protect infividul freedom of citizens.
The Federation and Klingons became allies, and I'm still waiting for someone to give the official Federation position on Klingons having slave races (according to TOS, ENT and Disco) while being "good guys"
They must have a very hands-off attitude. Perhaps too much so.
They must have a very hands-off attitude. Perhaps too much so.
Probably they never met a truly malicious civilization. Like Drengin from Galactic Civilizations game series.
The Federation was formed by the humans, Vulcans, Andorians and Tellarites, so it's going to tolerate anything those four cultures do.
Seems so. But it also seems to go a bit against this "utopia" thing. Which is impossible anyway, it should be "we do our best" thing (which is more as it was in TOS anyway).
Still, freedom to oppress their own people is not freedom I would like to see.
Ok, I am overdoing it. But still, Vulcans do sketchy things. And I don't think they are 100% logical. They add a hefty dose of traditionalism into their logic.b
Ok, I am overdoing it. But still, Vulcans do sketchy things. And I don't think they are 100% logical. They add a hefty dose of traditionalism into their logic.b
That is their prerogative. Their culture will progress in a manner that is determined by their people.
Yes. The problem is, they don't seen to want to admit they are not 100% logical and they their logic is not the only logic and that it is entirely possible to argue with Vulcans without being emotional.
Who is this a problem for? Every Vulcan is different from each other, like every human.
So as long as the Federation (presumably the part of the Federation that is not Vulcan) can say that it's doing that then anything goes? What's your limiting principle here?
