Who would have won? Janeway or Chakotay's Crew

[Nightcreature]

Let's say that during the pilot episode, both the Maquis ship and Voyager did not get transported to the Delta Quadrant via the Caretaker array and Voyager's mission was to find the Maquis. I wonder if Janeway would have been able to capture Chakotay's ship and crew??

Personally, I think Chakotay is more resourceful as the Maquis had to be in order to survive and he is tactically smarter then Janeway and that they would have escaped Voyager. I'm probably in the minority when it comes to Janeway vs Chakotay. However, I'll always remember an episode I saw later in the series where for some reason, the Maquis and Starfleet crew turned on each other and Chakotay baited Janeway into taking a defective gun so that when she tried to shoot him, she got knocked unconscious herself (I only saw part of it when it first aired).

On the other hand, Janeway did have Tuvok aboard the Maquis ship as a spy (though a Vulcan joining the Maquis is questionable) so there is a very good chance that Tuvok would have sabotaged the Maquis ship and helped Voyager capture the crew. So in the end, I think Voyager would have accomplished its task with Tuvok aboard the Maquis ship even considering that I think Chakotay is tactically superior to Janeway.

What do you fellow Voyager fans think and why?

 

[KiraDax]

The biggest issue is people.

Janeway was wily and stubborn, but her crew was also new, untested, and (as people like Harry Kim and Tal Celes indicate) fairly inexperienced. She seemed to have a lot of greenhorns.

Chakotay might not have had her wits, but his people were experienced in the issue of warfare and had been with him for some length of time. Plus, they weren't bound to the same protocols Janeway followed.

I have to say Chakotay would have upped her.

 

[AuntKate]

Hmmm. Interesting question.

There is the Tuvok factor. For Chakotay to win, he'd have to figure out, during the battle, that Tuvok was not doing his best to take out the Federation ship. However, I think it is more likely that he'd notice Tuvok's complicity only after the battle is over and he has a chance to review what happened step-by-step.

On the other hand, the Tuvok factor would influence Janeway,too. Her goal was to capture the Maquis crew and return Tuvok to duty, so she would be unwilling to destroy the Maquis ship when her friend and top security officer's life is in the balance. She might very well back off just when she had Chakotay's ship in her sites, another fact that Chakotay might notice later on and wonder about.

So, I see an AQ confrontation between them as a draw. Chakotay would have better tactical skills and a more experienced crew, but Tuvok would lessen the effectiveness of those advantages enough to prevent a complete victory. Janeway would have a more powerful ship, but would remember that her goal is capture, not destruction, prefering to come back later and try again.

So, both ships would be damaged, Chakotay would escape to lick his wounds, and he would, quite soon, realize that Tuvok was a spy. Janeway would also realize that her friend's life was in the balance and feel an even greater sense of urgency to find him.

Battle #2 would be even more interesting, since the Tuvok factor would be out in the open.

*Looks around for a fanfic writer to create an a/u on this possibility*

 

[TimelessTrek]

You mean Chakotay's crew of Federation and Cardassian spies, or his crew of ACTUAL Maquis? LOL

Actually, in a fight (given that the two crews NEVER knew each other), the Maquis would put up a great fight and probably kill a bunch of people and damage Voyager pretty well (nothing that couldn't be fixed in 7 days though) but ultimately Janeway's experience and Federation do-things-for-the-right-reason mindset would help Voyager be the victor.

I always root for the good guy if possible.

 

[RaulMacca]

Janeway wins as she never gives up, She has the most advanced not to mention fastest ship in the Region, She is a Starfleet Captain and Starfleet Captains always win, plus she has tricobalt torpedo's and a full complement of Photon torpedo's if things get sticky.

All Chakotay can do is hide, he can't run as voyager will catch him, can't stand and fight as voyager is a vastly more potent ship, nor can he dictate how the fight will take place as Voyager has the better sensors and see's him first.

And if the crews somehow got in close quarters, the starfleet crew win with ease due to them all being trained for years on end.

 

[TimelessTrek]

^^^ Yeah, Harry Kim's "greeness" was aytpical Starfleet. My God, the whole fleet would have been wiped out by Ferengi if they all acted like that

 

[LeadHead]

I think shipwise, Janeway would have won easily, Voyager had a lot more weapons at their disposal plus more power, so they could last longer. Chakotay's strategy would have to be quick strike attacks combined with close range flying, or a cat and mouse game through the badlands.

But Janeway did have an ace in the hole, All Tuvok would really need to do would be to disable the engines for a few seconds and Voyager could either disable them with weapons or put them in a tractor beam. Once there in the tractor beam, Chakotay would be screwed.

If it was a battle within Voyager, it's a bit of a different story. Chakotay, being a former starfleet officer would have extensive knowledge of starfleet security techniques. Making it so Janeway would have to improvise. Tuvok could of course activate a tracker so they'd know where he was, and converge easily. But potentially all or almost all of the Maquis were set for combat, giving their numbers at least close to a balance with the size of Voyagers security force.


Ship to Ship: Voyager wins
Onboard Battle: Much closer odds, but again I'd say Voyager wins

 

[Good Will Riker]

TimelessTrek said:
^^^ Yeah, Harry Kim's "greeness" was aytpical Starfleet. My God, the whole fleet would have been wiped out by Ferengi if they all acted like that

Which is why Tom had to bail him out of Quark's bar.

 

[DanCPA]

Voyager was much more advanced AND had a bigger crew

As much as I like Chakotay, he would most likely lose in the long run

 

[Leith Jones]

Chakotay and his Maquis crew would have easily evaded Voyager in the Badlands. It was their home field.

However, let's say they tried to get away once they were all in the Delta quadrant. It wouldn't happen. Voyager was bigger, faster, more heavily armed, and had a crew 4 times as big as the Maquis ship. Chakotay and his crew would not have lasted long. There was no place to hide and make lightning strikes from.

 

[Kevin]

Nightcreature said:
Let's say that during the pilot episode, both the Maquis ship and Voyager did not get transported to the Delta Quadrant via the Caretaker array and Voyager's mission was to find the Maquis. I wonder if Janeway would have been able to capture Chakotay's ship and crew??

Personally, I think Chakotay is more resourceful as the Maquis had to be in order to survive and he is tactically smarter then Janeway and that they would have escaped Voyager. I'm probably in the minority when it comes to Janeway vs Chakotay. However, I'll always remember an episode I saw later in the series where for some reason, the Maquis and Starfleet crew turned on each other and Chakotay baited Janeway into taking a defective gun so that when she tried to shoot him, she got knocked unconscious herself (I only saw part of it when it first aired).

On the other hand, Janeway did have Tuvok aboard the Maquis ship as a spy (though a Vulcan joining the Maquis is questionable) so there is a very good chance that Tuvok would have sabotaged the Maquis ship and helped Voyager capture the crew. So in the end, I think Voyager would have accomplished its task with Tuvok aboard the Maquis ship even considering that I think Chakotay is tactically superior to Janeway.

What do you fellow Voyager fans think and why?

Here is what would have happened. Voyager would have located the marquis ship. They would have pursued them and they would have ended up in a firefight. Tuvok, being on the bridge and Janeway's man, would stun all the bridge officers, take control of the ship and lower their shields allowing Voyager to beam the maquis crew members away and lock em up.

 

[I Love Chakotay]

I think the Maquis would have won, purely because they weren't above dirty tricks, and they had the experience at covert stuff. Also, Torres and Seska would have run rings around Joe Carey when it came to dampening fields etc, and Chakotay would have been piloting a smaller, faster, more manoeuverable (sp?) ship than Paris would have had to pilot in Voyager. Chakotay's tactical expertise would have stood him in good stead too.

Yeah, I have to say that if Janeway and the 'Fleet crew were being written honestly and not vanity-written, the Maquis would have won imo