Discussion in 'Star Trek: Voyager' started by The Overlord, Jul 16, 2017.
Who is the most evil character in Voyager (the show, not the ship)?
Harry Kim.. evil bastard.
Michael McKean's Clown. from The Thaw.
*Ransom's first officer
What he(Annorax) was doing was unthinkable. What's worse is it was easy to sympathize with him as Chakotay did.
Annorax was a twisted scientist who created for himself the power of God, and then waged a war against time "herself."
I agree that "Fear" was also pretty evil. I can't imagine those poor people having to go through that torture-experiencing their greatest fears whether they allow themselves to think about them or not. Hopefully the passage of time seemed shorter inside their minds
Ransom I think redeemed himself. He certainly felt the guilt and tried to make excuses. I believe Ransom's first officer was the real "evil" on that ship.
-He was a creep in general, had no moral compass, and seems to be a major influence in the awful things they were doing.
-He obviously had no respect for his Captain and was willing to manipulate him.
-He continued trying to get in B'elanna's pants even after he learned she was engaged to another man, or at least he was pretending to(creep factor doubles for this)
-When B'elanna comms him towards the end and says "people are dying over here" he doesn't care.
-When Ransom says to him "Is that the euphemism now? You mean were going to have to kill more creatures" he immediately senses weakness and starts plotting his mutiny.
Perhaps this guy was once a better person. Maybe he lost his own wife in the disaster that put Equinox on the path to the dark side and now hates the world. He probably resents Voyager even more as they seem to have a better handle on "Lost in Space."
I'd say Noah Lessing.
His resistance during interrogations wasn't courage but a form of assumed perversion. He wanted to make Voyager crew suffer, in particular her captain. His attempts to push Janeway beyond her limits ... which almost succeeded, were evil. But I still don't understand for what outcome. To show her that she wasn't better than Ransom and his crew, in a situation of life crisis? Because she was a woman? One thing became clear eventually, Lessing's aversion for Janeway became personal, especially after her decision to knowingly put his life at risk (I bet he thought she wouldn't dare to do it and was shocked afterwards when he noticed she was ready to sacrifice him!). And then, remember the way he kept holding her gaze while she demoted him, as he wanted to continue to defy her, while his companions had the wisdom to disarm and engage in conduct of submissive behavior.
I think that this Lessing could have been as unexpected, vicious and dangerous as Seska.
I'd say that alien from Persistence of Vision would score pretty high. Not in factual damage done, but in intent.
Even after his "defeat" he keeps mocking Janeway who interrogates him. Also, he refuses to give any justification for his attacks other than 'because I can'. Most other characters, no matter how evil, at least have some intrinsic motivation for what they do that I can identify somewhat 'better' with than this one (Annorax tries to get his wife back, the clown just wants to continue existing, etc).
Other than the network executives who cruelly attacked the writers' dreams and ambitions and forced Voyager to be vanilla Trek, I'd agree with Annorax.
The way he can casually erase an entire civilization from history outstrips anything else anyone does. The fact that he has a sympathetic motive doesn't make his actions any more excusable. No amount of grief justifies genocide. Annorax is a person of free will who made a decision to commit even worse than mass murder.
Just look at what happens to everyone on Voyager because of her decision not to use the Caretaker to send them home.
What could be more evil than that?
I'm kidding, but I'll show myself out the door anyhow.
More like TNG is Vanilla Trek.
Based on what I consider "evil" a few come to mind. Any Vidian who would harvest organs of an unwilling person, The malon who knowingly dumped his radiation into inhabited space, and The Hirogen who created sentient holograms to feel pain.
Face the death and the unknown was a great part of their mission (besides, that's why most of them engaged in Starfleet Academy), wasn't it?!
And that's definitvely what they got!
Well, alright, the initial mission didn't happen as planned but well, during their journey, they saw, learnt, fought and finally, came back safe and sound... except some of them, who were particularly unlucky. So, at the end, it was a win-win.
Janeway had some moment of reckless I easily admit it but hey, they could have fallen on a worse leader, right?!
Yeah, the entire command staff could have been killed except for Harry Kim.
If she had sent them home all of the Maquis cremembers would be dead
Dead or jailed in the numerous federal prisons.
Why Kim would have been spared, Donlago?
I was responding to your point that Our Heroes could have ended up with a worse leader.
I'm not sure how all the Maquis crewmembers would have been dead, unless the logic is that they would have all been killed by the Dominion. That presumes that they wouldn't have ended up in custody, which seems the more likely outcome.
According to Chakotay's letter most of them are killed and only few ended up in prison.
Right, but those are Maquis who hadn't been captured by Starfleet. If VOY had gone home as-is then the Maquis aboard would have almost certainly ended up in custody.
The Devore, Annorax, and maybe the Hirogen though they were more amoral "lacking a moral center".
Voyager encountered some mean and often unsavoury figures but I don't think any were pure evil like say the black glob that killed Tasha Yar.
True, Janeway would have captured them and turned them in so instead of being dead they would have ended up in prison.
Now that I think about it there's a fanfiction piece that I read long ago where that was the case. They all ended up in the penal colony where Tom was and Tom and B'Elanna ende up falling in love there.
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