Who has done a TOS E cross-section?

Discussion in 'Fan Art' started by Warped9, Nov 20, 2010.

  1. Tallguy

    Tallguy Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Roughly the inside of a TARDIS I would say.

    So even thought the shuttle deck miniature was forced perspective, if you take a cross-section of it through the shuttle miniature (which was NOT forced) you should get a real-world width with no (not much) guessing.

    I would expect that that would give you a shuttle deck that would still be pretty darn big.
     
  2. Ghost of the Enterprise-C

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    As I recall, Ancient did a cutaway as well - at roughly the same time that Aridas did his. I think that Ancient upscaled his Enterprise to something like 1125 to 1150 feet long for his version.
     
  3. Captain Robert April

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    Have I posted this yet?

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  4. astarguy

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    i agree that there is a lot of room for various lengths for the ship the only thing that i am sticking to is that my ship come out to 984 feet. i am going to attempt to post a cad version of my cross section. i hope everyone likes it. ps it is not annotated sorry.
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  5. astarguy

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    oops i guess i cant post attachments yet sorry i will soon
     
  6. Max Nex

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    excellent work by both KirkUnit and Captain Robert April.
    I also wish to see Astarguy's stuff when it can be posted.
     
  7. Bernard Guignard

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    Not a problem will be looking forward to it good luck on
    your project:techman:
     
  8. Ziz

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    You need to have 50 posts in to do inline images. Just post the URL and someone else will re-post to make the image show up.
     
  9. Dr. Kravaal

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    I love these unique takes on the TOS enterprise. What with www.the-grey-ghost.com and Casimiros work--not to mention Shaws--we have accurate drawings--but it is always good to see a different take.
     
  10. aridas sofia

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    I know this is an awful no-no and I beg Michael’s indulgence. The age of this thread is an inseparable part of why it is interesting. The debate over the original ship has evolved so much over the last decade- particularly with STD giving us an Enterprise substantially larger than the 947-feet shown on the “Day of the Dove” onscreen plans. In 2010-11 this debate was ginning up in response to the alternate universe Enterprise shown un the JJ-verse. It’s all interesting and doesn’t irritate me nearly to the extent it used to. Anyhow…

    What struck me was on inspecting my own cross section for the first time in several years, for something I was trying to explain in Ian Simpson’s thread, I was really taken aback by the size of the ship - at 947-feet. I have scale indicators all over the ship in the form of stored space suits and environmental suits and chairs, among other things. And I looked at it after viewing a video taken aboard an aircraft carrier and thought, “yes, this communicates that kind of scale.” The problem seems to be that in making various productions, each individual space has been filmed using lenses and distorted sets meant to imply much bigger spaces. I’ve been on James Cawley’s recreation of the Engineering set and that space is positively dwarfish. And Shaw has shown us just what the flight deck was supposed to look like by analyzing Matt Jefferies’ Phase II plans. They are all intended to be more submarine-ish spaces than auditorium-sized.

    All very interesting. If you want to close it to comment Michael, I understand. But in the meantime, check out my cross section and look at all those suits and chairs and decide for yourself whether this 947-foot ship is already immense.

    https://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars/blueprints/web/1701-cutaway.jpg
     
  11. Michael

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    Most original players still seem to be on the board and you‘re adding something substantive to the thread, so this kind of thread-bumping is fine by me. :techman:
     
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  12. MGagen

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    I am in complete agreement with you, Aridas. The ship is pretty large at 947'. And the spaces we know from the show are actually much more tight than they appear onscreen, due to the lensing used.

    Good ol' Uncle Matt knew what he was doing. He couldn't always stick with his original concepts in the heat of production. But his primary ideals work out just fine.

    I just don't get this passion for "making it bigger" with every iteration.

    M.
     
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  14. Professor Milquetoast

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    I did a cross-section? :guffaw:

    (p.s. that is a beautiful cross section, but I am still not convinced to return to the 947 foot side of the debate.)
     
  15. Cancel Culture

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    Could you explain the plan for the turbo elevators? Is there a single connected network on the ship, and can the elevators travel to every deck?
     
  16. Tallguy

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    Well. I guess I kinda did do a cross section.

    I have NO idea where I got these dimensions from. I suspect it was a lot of guesswork and "make it look good-ish".

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    It's not completely awful.

    Oh, and this is absolutely 947 feet.
     
  17. aridas sofia

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    I was guided by Matt Jefferies’ very rudimentary cross section in TMoST and the descriptions there. Then I went to the episodes and scoured all of them for evidence of what was where. The turbo network goes everywhere in a single connected network - except the extreme bottoms and tops of the two hulls.

    I never fleshed it out completely beyond what I saw in my head. Shaw started from the same place as me - Jefferies - and DID flesh it out. His idea is very similar to what I imagined it would be. Maybe not quite as extensive, but I would defer to him because I’m not sure my exact idea would totally fit.

    I’d post a link to his art showing what he came up with but I don’t have it handy and I can’t find it online in a quick search. Maybe he will gift us with an appearance.
     
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  18. Tallguy

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    Hmmm. I remember being puzzled in The Motion Picture when Kirk is looking for a specific turboshaft. Because in my head one lift can get you to all of the others. So just find "A" lift instead of "THE" lift, right?

    I suppose one could springboard this to mean that not all of the lifts are connected. I've seen people struggle with networks that connect everything and yet allow people to walk around them. If they're not ALL connected that might make some of that easier. Start thinking of them as subways or buses rather than elevators.

    Has anyone ever suggested alternate transportation around the ship? Cargo lifts? Moving walkways? I know we never saw anything like that on the show but really, we never saw much of the ship! (It has oddly become one of my fondest wishes to see a hallway on the outer rim of the saucer.)
     
  19. blssdwlf

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    Since Tallguy posted his cross section, I'll put an old one of mine up too :whistle:

    A screen accurate flight deck with a 22' shuttle will fit a 947' ship provided you trim the side alcoves off :)

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  20. Professor Milquetoast

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    I still can’t think of what @Warped9 was referring to in post #1 eleven years (!) ago, but here’s the closest I’ve come. It’s not really a cross-section; it’s just the interior secondary hull model superimposed on the exterior hull model. 6B198E91-51DE-457F-A529-177FE977D361.jpeg Scaled for 1082 feet.
     
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