Who are your top 3 iconic Klingon villains?

Trelane_Squire_of_Gothos · Aug 15, 2021

Oddish · Aug 15, 2021

Kruge (Klingon bastard)
Chang (eyepatch bolted on face)
The sisters

fireproof78 · Aug 15, 2021

Chang.

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Kang.

T'Kumva.

Qonundrum · Aug 15, 2021

Top three, in no order but I'd guess you'd already guessed who won #1 spot from the following:

Kor, he set the stage and John Colicos sorta stole the show with his collected and underplayed presence.

Kruge, who also underplayed, but showed ruthlessness rather effectively. In a vein similar to Kor, but with a nominal amount of oomph. No cringey comic relief lampoon like Koloth either...

Chang. Nice twist of Shakespearean memes, while donning some leather I saw once in a downtown shop next to the handcuffs and this weird book where they also made all the outfits for the Blake's 7 crew, there is a flair and presence to his villainy that has him topping my list bar none. Again, we have a Klingon that isn't the over the top caricature but one with a little bit of gravitas. Or in Chang's case, tons more than anyone preceding him and it's rather refreshing. To top all that off, Christopher Plummer was a sheer coup for casting and clearly relishes the material; I'm sure he ad-libbed a bit but everything's so perfect and played so earnestly on top of everything else... he had great on-screen chemistry with Shatner, too. (Granted, both worked together in the past and that doesn't hurt...) ST6 may have had a pitiful budget at times, but the money spent on effects, casting, and kinky outfits was so perfectly on point that it didn't matter if they redressed TNG sets, some more poorly than others... was the old engine room set from 1-3 also left out in the thunderstorm next to the bridge sets while the new paint job for the storage room floor dried?! (I recall reading that between IV and V, sets had to be left outside for a genuinely big reason but an unexpected storm caused all the wood to warp so they had to rebuild...

Which might be for the best, the new design for V and VI was pretty slick for the time and nobody remembered the set of IV for the 2 seconds in which it was shown... )

Honorable mention: Kang (but not his sister, Kodos - the one you didn't vote for. :guffaw:

) He's almost over the top, but Michael Ansara's performance keeps things right where they need to be the most.

Dishonorable mention: Maltz - a villain so dumb he can't tell it's not Kruge giving the order to transport, there's no radio or other interference garbling the communication (which is otherwise a lovely thought*), and the Klingon communicator didn't have Professor Farnsworth's stupid invention to make anyone using it sound just like him. :razz:

* well, maaaaaaaaybe if the slowly-exploding planet was somehow now creati-- naah. There are only so many plot holes before one just enjoys the thing if everything else flows and feels passable. By this point in the movie (it's denouement) there were more than enough examples for fans to nitpick through already... :biggrin:

Trelane_Squire_of_Gothos · Aug 16, 2021

Qonundrum said:
Top three, in no order but I'd guess you'd already guessed who won #1 spot from the following:

Kor, he set the stage and John Colicos sorta stole the show with his collected and underplayed presence.

Kruge, who also underplayed, but showed ruthlessness rather effectively. In a vein similar to Kor, but with a nominal amount of oomph. No cringey comic relief lampoon like Koloth either...

Chang. Nice twist of Shakespearean memes, while donning some leather I saw once in a downtown shop next to the handcuffs and this weird book where they also made all the outfits for the Blake's 7 crew, there is a flair and presence to his villainy that has him topping my list bar none. Again, we have a Klingon that isn't the over the top caricature but one with a little bit of gravitas. Or in Chang's case, tons more than anyone preceding him and it's rather refreshing. To top all that off, Christopher Plummer was a sheer coup for casting and clearly relishes the material; I'm sure he ad-libbed a bit but everything's so perfect and played so earnestly on top of everything else... he had great on-screen chemistry with Shatner, too. (Granted, both worked together in the past and that doesn't hurt...) ST6 may have had a pitiful budget at times, but the money spent on effects, casting, and kinky outfits was so perfectly on point that it didn't matter if they redressed TNG sets, some more poorly than others... was the old engine room set from 1-3 also left out in the thunderstorm next to the bridge sets while the new paint job for the storage room floor dried?! (I recall reading that between IV and V, sets had to be left outside for a genuinely big reason but an unexpected storm caused all the wood to warp so they had to rebuild... Which might be for the best, the new design for V and VI was pretty slick for the time and nobody remembered the set of IV for the 2 seconds in which it was shown... )

Honorable mention: Kang (but not his sister, Kodos - the one you didn't vote for. ) He's almost over the top, but Michael Ansara's performance keeps things right where they need to be the most.

Dishonorable mention: Maltz - a villain so dumb he can't tell it's not Kruge giving the order to transport, there's no radio or other interference garbling the communication (which is otherwise a lovely thought*), and the Klingon communicator didn't have Professor Farnsworth's stupid invention to make anyone using it sound just like him.

* well, maaaaaaaaybe if the slowly-exploding planet was somehow now creati-- naah. There are only so many plot holes before one just enjoys the thing if everything else flows and feels passable. By this point in the movie (it's denouement) there were more than enough examples for fans to nitpick through already...

Nice detailed analysis.

Rusty0918 · Aug 16, 2021

Qonundrum said:
Dishonorable mention: Maltz - a villain so dumb he can't tell it's not Kruge giving the order to transport, there's no radio or other interference garbling the communication (which is otherwise a lovely thought*), and the Klingon communicator didn't have Professor Farnsworth's stupid invention to make anyone using it sound just like him.

* well, maaaaaaaaybe if the slowly-exploding planet was somehow now creati-- naah. There are only so many plot holes before one just enjoys the thing if everything else flows and feels passable. By this point in the movie (it's denouement) there were more than enough examples for fans to nitpick through already...

Well, who said there wasn't any interference at all? We never heard the reception through those communicators. In addition, Maltz was the only one on board the Bird of Prey, I think. He probably underestimated the cunning of Kirk's crew. That being said, there might have been another Klingon or two at the transporter controls.

Who are your top 3 iconic Klingon villains?

Who are your top 3 iconic Klingon villains?

Kor

Kruge

General Chang

Arne Darvin

Duras

Lursa and B'Etor

Toral

Gowron

Ja'rod

Kang

Koloth

Martok (Changeling)

Worf (mirror)

K'Vagh

Kol

T'Kuvma

Other

Trelane_Squire_of_Gothos

Commander

Oddish

Admiral

fireproof78

Fleet Admiral

Qonundrum

Qonundrum-Just graduated from Camp Ridiculous

Trelane_Squire_of_Gothos

Commander

Rusty0918

Commander

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