Which Star Trek game would you play?

[retroenzo]

I'm not talking about Star Trek video games, but games that have appeared only in Star Trek.

I quite like playing pool and snooker (although I'm not great) so I'd love to play Dom-jot.

I'm also fascinated by how you play Kadis-kot or Kal-toh, although I do wonder if I'd end up treating it like Ker-plunk.

 

[Balok's Decoy]

Fizzbin, of course. Just have to spend some time studying the "rules."

 

[Six of Twelve]

I think Kadis-kot.

 

[at Quark's]

Perhaps I would like to learn Stratagema and 3D-chess.

(And I think I'd like to know, but not necessarily play dom-jot (seems the risk of getting in a violent fight is rather high with that one).

 

[Albertese]

Tongo looks interesting.

--Alex

 

[Six of Twelve]

How about the game with the weird, clumsy racquets from Survival Instinct on Voyager?

 

[Bad Thoughts]

I would take on Kotra or Tongo.

 

[sbk1234]

I was always intrigued, for some reason, by the idea of Pareses Squares, even though we know almost nothing about it. Of course, from what we do know, I'm in NO SHAPE to actually play such a game.

I do enjoy a friendly game of poker, so I wouldn't mind joining in with the Enterprise's officers for a few hands. They'd like playing with me because I'm terrible at it.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

They'd like playing with me because I'm terrible at it.

It can't be all that bad if the only real stakes are facial hair or hair color.

 

[Balok's Decoy]

Surprised no one has mentioned dabo yet. I guess it's just like Ferengi roulette, right?

 

[JirinPanthosa]

Tongo, for the same reason I mostly play Poker at casinos. I only like games that if you play with the best strategy you can actually gain money.

Also that Pareses Squares game looks great. Somehow the fact that it only comes up in the context of somebody being horribly injured makes me want to play it more.

Would not mind playing Move Along Home.

 

[TonyLeung82]

I would enjoy the phaser skill game:

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[Bad Thoughts]

Tongo, for the same reason I mostly play Poker at casinos. I only like games that if you play with the best strategy you can actually gain money.

Poker is very luck based, and while bluffing is a skill, it wouldn't make Poker a strategy game.

Conversely, Tongo, which looks like a game in which one uses stock market mechanism to construct Poker hands, probably has a lot more strategy.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

Poker is very luck based, and while bluffing is a skill, it wouldn't make Poker a strategy game.

Conversely, Tongo, which looks like a game in which one uses stock market mechanism to construct Poker hands, probably has a lot more strategy.

Poker is a game of math and statistics, same as Tongo. There is a big luck factor, and very high variance, but over a long period of time, better players make the most money. Bluffing is a much smaller part of the game than TV makes it look.

This is in comparison to blackjack, where a perfect strategy over a long period of time will converge on losing 1.6% of every bet. Same with slots where the house advantage is a little smaller and other table games where it's larger.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

This is in comparison to blackjack, where a perfect strategy over a long period of time will converge on losing 1.6% of every bet.

That's a low bar. Within the gamut of board/card games, Poker and Blackjack are low when it comes to the skill-luck ratio, and not nearly as strategy based as Chess or Go. For Poker to be a strong strategy game, players would generally have to start with the same hands. (That's not to say that there are no skills involved, the the comment originally made it seem that Poker was more strategy based than other games.)

 

[Cheapjack1]

I'd love to go to Vegas and give them some tips and advice.

 

[The Old Mixer]

If nobody was using it to brainwash me, I wouldn't mind trying "The Game". It looks...stimulating....

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[JirinPanthosa]

That's a low bar. Within the gamut of board/card games, Poker and Blackjack are low when it comes to the skill-luck ratio, and not nearly as strategy based as Chess or Go. For Poker to be a strong strategy game, players would generally have to start with the same hands. (That's not to say that there are no skills involved, the the comment originally made it seem that Poker was more strategy based than other games.)

Every player has an equal chance to get every possible hand.

I never said it was a 'strategy' game. I said it was a game of skill. Those are not the equivalent statements you're treating them as. And frankly, if you don't think there's any skill in poker, you probably have never played anything other than the kind of friendly home games where everybody plays every flop.

It's not about who is dealt the best cards in any individual hand. It's about who will fare better if you play several hands over a long period of time.

Whether a game is a game of skill isn't a question of whether there is any luck involved at all, it's a question of whether a person who plays with the most skill is statistically likely to win more over the long term against weaker players. Which is true for Poker and very untrue for casino table games or slots or any game that is 'Every player versus the house'.

As for the 'skill/luck ratio'? Depends how long you play. Play one hand, the ratio is very small. Play for ten hours, it's very large.

Tongo seems like a combination of Poker and Rummy with the language of the game designed around the stock market.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

I never said it was a 'strategy' game. I said it was a game of skill. Those are not the equivalent statements you're treating them as. And frankly, if you don't think there's any skill in poker, you probably have never played anything other than the kind of friendly home games where everybody plays every flop.

You said it was a game that allowed for "the best strategy." The skills that generally come into play are extra-ludological.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

Ok, maybe 'Tactics' was a better choice of word, as 'Strategy' implies more long term thinking. Fair enough.

I'm not sure what you mean by 'extra-ludological' as a Google search defines ludology as more a focus on game design that explains how people play them and is mostly applied to video games and board games.

Poker is a game of math and probability. Like, say you have AQ, and your opponent raises. You have observed the range of hands he might raise on, and put him on a range from 99+, AT+, KQs. You calculate that given his range you have 57% equity in the pot, so you call. But you don't reraise because the range of hands he will probably call a reraise with is QQ+ which you have much lower equity with.

Or, you have trips after the flop, but there is a flush draw on the table. Anyone with a flush draw has a 36% chance of hitting the flush. So, you want to bet the maximum amount you can bet to make it worth it for them to keep drawing. Your opponent has about 1.8:1 pot odds, so you bet about 80% to 90% of what's in the pot to make it so it's just barely mathematically worth it for them to call.

Poker is not about pretending you have a flush and scaring your opponent into folding, it's all about math and game theory.