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Which producer/writer is disliked/

PhoenixIreland

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I'm confused about something, I only watch the show, don't buy magazines or whatnot but I've been on two ST forums and heard fans bitching about a particular producer or writer and I don't know one from the other so I thought I'd ask.
Braga or Bermen? one of them was spoken of regularly as if they "ruined" the series?
 
I'm confused about something, I only watch the show, don't buy magazines or whatnot but I've been on two ST forums and heard fans bitching about a particular producer or writer and I don't know one from the other so I thought I'd ask.
Braga or Bermen? one of them was spoken of regularly as if they "ruined" the series?

Berman took over the executive producer role from Roddenberry (who originally created Star Trek). Berman saw it through Next Generation, Deep Space Nine, Voyager and Enterprise. He also produced the movies Star Trek Generations, First Contact, Insurrection & Nemesis. He's generally credited with running Star Trek into the ground. Many fans think he caused Star Trek to stray from canon. Enterprise almost killed Star Trek for good but then Berman was replaced with J.J. Abrams and Star Trek XI was born.
 
RonMoore the later years - its when the dark/moody drama replaced the scifi

Then when he couldn't get his way he left in a moody huff only to leave an 11-page rant bitching about how Trek actors and producers didn't understand his greatness
 
Why/how did he run it into the ground?


The Next Generation was a hit and well liked by fans. Deep Space Nine broke away from the standard of the voyages of a star ship and based the series on a space station. Voyager went back to a star ship but was pretty fast and loose with story lines. Enterprise was a huge wasted opportunity. As a prequel series it could have explored Star Trek canon in detail but instead wasted it's four years (Next Gen, DS9 & Voyager all lasted 7 years) with retreads of episodes from past series and new story lines that walked a fine line of breaking with canon.
 
You have a great imagination. :bolian:

Deep Sleep Nine is not universally love by Trekkies


I admit DS9 had a great cast and some very good episodes

What was wrong with DeepSpaceNine :
It was a lot of a soap opera
Too much religion involved in the show
DS9 destroyed 'Q'
Runabouts during early Seasons were poor
They spent too much time deconstructing the Gene Roddenbery
primary characters had an identity crisis like teens with bad attitudes
Rich story ideas only came in the later seasons
It's originality has been questioned, JMS pitched to Paramount before WarnerBros
Even after setting sail DS-9 still borrowed heavily from Babylon-5
The CGI effects dated quicker than StarTrek TOS FX, Odo effects etc now look terrible
It got very predictable
Kera acting all butch/feminist and her bitchy demeanor just weirded fans out.
It was very war orientated unlike Roddenberry's vision
DS9 had already passed it's prime by the seventh season
 
Deep Space Nine is not universally love by Trekkies
:vulcan: Which series is?

It was a lot of a soap opera
Didn't bother me.

Too much religion involved in the show
And that is wrong why?

DS9 destroyed 'Q'
Actually Voyager did a much better job of destroying him.

Runabouts during early Seasons were poor
Poor in what way? :confused: FX wise? I think they looked very cool.

They spent too much time deconstructing the Gene Roddenbery
Again, that's wrong why?

primary characters had an identity crisis like teens with bad attitudes
Have you even watched the show?

Rich story ideas only came in the later seasons
The Circle Trilogy is one of the best things Trek has ever done.

It's originality has been questioned, JMS pitched to Paramount before WarnerBros
Even after setting sail DS-9 still borrowed heavily from Babylon-5
Boy, that's SUCH an old hat. And still, I can only laugh at that ludicrous argument.

The CGI effects dated quicker than StarTrek TOS FX, Odo effects etc now look terrible
That's YOUR opinion. Actually the effects are quite good. But then again, who cares about effects? It's about the stories!

It got very predictable
Wrong.

Kera acting all butch/feminist and her bitchy demeanor just weirded fans out.
Just made up by you.

It was very war orientated unlike Roddenberry's vision
Roddenberry's what?

DS9 had already passed it's prime by the seventh season
Again, you have a great imagination.
 
Here's an interesting read from this very site (Trek Nation)






When TNG premiered in 1987, it was the only first-run syndicated show on television, and one of very few sci-fi shows in general. At the time, there were 4 networks and a handful of cable channels.

As TNG flourished in an atmosphere without competition, it firmly rooted itself in a position that would cause it to grow -- TNG was actually replacing some networks' prime-time lineup in places.

When TNG ended, this seven year downward spiral began, but not because Trek as a whole was getting worse or less-liked, but because each new show was starting in a crowded, competitive environment with many similar shows. As of June, there were 7 networks, dozens of first-run syndicated shows, and over a hundred cable and premium channels. Where TNG had to deal with maybe a dozen competitors, DS9 and Voyager contend with around 50 (counting the premiums) and a sci-fi market that's close to being oversaturated.

Where TNG was able to grow some roots before the major onslaught of competition began, DS9 and Voyager have grown up in an environment very different from the one TNG grew up in. DS9 had to fight for prime-time slots and Voyager was only seen by as many people as UPN could reach. With Trek's quick fade from the spotlight after the end of TNG, Trek swiftly lost its casual viewership and mainstream support. The number of people viewing Trek has shrunk back to what one would expect from a wildly successful cult TV show. Yes, that number is smaller than it once was, but for what Star Trek is, it's still doing quite well.

The Next Generation was basically a mainstream show that fully intended to be a mainstream show. Good mainstream shows get pretty high ratings as TNG did. DS9 was never a mainstream show and it never wanted to be one. Voyager has tried to be a mainstream success but simply can't (through no fault of its own) because UPN is such a failure as a network.

The Star Trek franchise may never replicate the mainstream success of TNG, but DS9 and Voyager have thrived even with the handicaps they have. Judging every Trek series against TNG is what is leading people to make grand claims that the Trek series is dying, but despite the fact that both are Trek shows, comparing TNG to DS9 or TNG to Voyager is like comparing Apples to Squash. TNG was born with a silver spoon in its mouth, DS9 and Voyager had to fight their way up.

Deep Space Nine spent most of its lifetime as the number one syndicated first-run show on television despite its falling number of viewers. Even when it became a near-serial show (usually, long-term serial shows are ratings disasters -- witness Babylon 5) airing in prime-time in less than 60 percent of the nation, DS9 managed well over a 4.0 average in its final two years. As a general rule, a syndicated show needs to maintain a 3.0 to be successful, DS9 always maintained that despite the strikes against it. Look at the other sci-fi shows similar to DS9: Earth: Final Conflict is regarded as a decent show ratings-wise, staying in the lower 3.0 range and Babylon 5 is the hot potato of science fiction television -- it's done so poorly that no one wants to hold on to it.

As a serial, more cultish television show, DS9 is right behind the X-Files on the all-time list of successes even with extreme disadvantages.

Voyager, on the other hand, has very little that it can brag about. That's not because Voyager is an awful, unpopular show, but because it's on an awful, unpopular network. Voyager can only do as well as UPN because of Voyager's status as a network show. UPN has been losing stations since day one and is now only airing in a little over 60 percent of the nation, meaning that Voyager is competing in a very crowded market with both hands tied behind its back. For its disadvantages, Voyager has still managed to remain UPN's top show. However, Voyager will never be able to perform near the level of its predecessors so long as it drags the carcass of UPN wherever it goes. That's not the sign of viewers losing interest in Trek, it's the sign that viewers aren't interested in UPN.

In short, the ratings are down. Less people are watching. The bleeding off of TNG's more casual Trek audience is nearly complete and the shows are losing some of their viewers to competition. What does that mean? Is Star Trek dying? No, Star Trek is not dying, it's just not a mainstream hit anymore. Things have grown far smaller, but smaller isn't necessarily bad as long as a show is maintaining minimum audiences, which so far Trek has done. Star Trek may someday stage a mainstream comeback with a TNG-sized hit, it may not. But as long as Star Trek maintains its loyal audience that it currently holds, the franchise will be fine.






This doesn't mention Enterprise but many fans don't like to talk much about it anyway. In the end Enterprise basically had no ratings.






http://www.treknation.com/articles/ratings_history.shtml
 
The producers and writers I dislike the most are JJ Abrams and cronies.
Followed by Ron Moore.
Other fan's opinions may vary.
 
Deep Space Nine is not universally love by Trekkies
:vulcan: Which series is?

It was a lot of a soap opera
Didn't bother me.


And that is wrong why?


Actually Voyager did a much better job of destroying him.


Poor in what way? :confused: FX wise? I think they looked very cool.


Again, that's wrong why?


Have you even watched the show?


The Circle Trilogy is one of the best things Trek has ever done.


Boy, that's SUCH an old hat. And still, I can only laugh at that ludicrous argument.


That's YOUR opinion. Actually the effects are quite good. But then again, who cares about effects? It's about the stories!


Wrong.


Just made up by you.

It was very war orientated unlike Roddenberry's vision
Roddenberry's what?

DS9 had already passed it's prime by the seventh season
Again, you have a great imagination.

This whole post is so full of win! :techman:
 
The franchise was in very bad shape after the last two abominations so it would be hard for him to do worse.
I don't know why they wanted to go with a prequal tho
 
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