Which Melbourne Was Riker Offered

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  1. Rayleo02

    Rayleo02 Lieutenant Red Shirt

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    In The Best Of Both Worlds, Riker was offered command of the Melbourne, Which Melbourne was he offered ,the old Excelsior class one or the new Nebula Class one?
     
  2. Ar-Pharazon

    Ar-Pharazon Admiral Premium Member

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    Did we see the Melbourne in the wreckage of Wolf 359? Shelby mentioned it as they were flying through the debris.
     
  3. XCV330

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    I thought the nebula class Melbourne replaced the one that Riker would have been aboard
     
  4. Marc

    Marc Fleet Admiral Premium Member

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    yep - Memory Alpha says it was the Excelsior Class Melbourne that offered to Riker and was later destroyed at Wolf 359.
     
  5. valkyrie013

    valkyrie013 Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    After BOBW, Riker should have accepted being a captain of his own ship, Been offered in the past, saved the Earth on the Ent D. Yeah, he would have been offered any ship in the fleet he wanted.
    I underestand, its a TV show, and having the same characters, but In the real world, Riker would have been given his own ship. That would have been an interesting show if that happened, one episode Picard, one on Rikers ship. Would be an interesting show, start out with 1 crew, and branch out to more ships, following people instead of just 1 ship.
     
  6. Farscape One

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    Sort of like what FARSCAPE season 3 did with the two Crichtons and the rest split on Moya and Talyn. That would have been a great series choice for TNG, as it worked beautifully for FARSCAPE.
     
  7. The Wormhole

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    They'd have never gone for that in the early nineties.
     
  8. F. King Daniel

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    Farscape was a continuing story. Next Gen was adventures within the 42-minute reset. They wouldn't have done anything like that, cool as it might have been.
     
  9. Farscape One

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    Very true. Still would have been great, though.
     
  10. Grendel's Brains

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    They could have easily found ways to do it and still keep the actor around for the standard weekly adventure. Bring Thomas Riker's introduction forward, for instance, and let him become the new OPS officers while Data takes Will Riker's job.
     
  11. The Wormhole

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    That was the original plan. Berman was against it because he thought it would ruin his dreams of syndication.
     
  12. Ar-Pharazon

    Ar-Pharazon Admiral Premium Member

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    I like the TNG characters well enough, but Farscape had wayyyy more interesting characters to be able to pull off two groups like that.
     
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  13. Dr. San Guinary

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    I always assumed it was the Nebula-class Melbourne that was offered to Riker.

    I'm going with memorybeta's explanation that the Excelsior-class version was obsolete and due to be replaced, but due to a shortage of ships, it was rushed into service (and destroyed) along with its successor.

    So I'm not seeing why Riker would have been offered the Excelsior version, because it was going to be retired anyway.
     
  14. USS Excelsior

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    It was probably the same Melbourne that wasn’t fixed up enough at Starbase 74 to chase after the Enterprise after the Binars stole it.
     
  15. Dukhat

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    In context, he was offered the Nebula class ship, because at the time that was the only one that existed. It was then retconned that the Melbourne was an Excelsior class, and the Nebula version was just another ship. So now Riker was offered the Excelsior. There weren't two ships with the same name and registry number serving at the same time.
     
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  16. Timo

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    And since no ship with the name Melbourne on her was seen in "BoBW" (that is, the name could not be seen on any ship), there's no contradiction. But, on the other hand, since "Emissary" showed us the Excelsior class ship by that name, there's now at least some support for the idle speculation that the Melbourne was actually Hanson's own ride from "BoBW", and possibly also his later flagship from the second part of the episode.

    But it's still idle speculation and nothing more. There's no pressing reason for Hanson to offer Riker the ship from under his very buttocks, and "Emissary" makes it a bit dubious that the ship seen dying rather early on in the battle could be the same that hosts Hanson when he orders the fleet to regroup.

    Personally, I'm happy with the "Emissary" identity of the ship that Riker would have commanded, and agnostic on whether this was also Hanson's ride. But I'd like to dismiss the Nebula ship altogether, not simply because I can (as the name and registry are currently just as unreadable as Alka-Selsior and apparently nobody is doing a DS9 remastering after all), but also because

    1) I wouldn't want to have to deal with two Melbournes when I don't have to, and
    2) I certainly wouldn't want to deal with two identical registries under any circumstances,

    and the Nebula here is the party that can and should yield.

    Timo Saloniemi
     
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