Which are you more curious about? New Kirk or Enterprise?
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I'm much more curious about the design of the film - the ship, sets, costumes and so forth.
I'm not actually curious about who will be cast as Kirk - I'll be very interested to find out about him once he's announced.
I'm not actually curious about who will be cast as Kirk - I'll be very interested to find out about him once he's announced.
Re: Which are you more curious about? New Kirk or Enterprise
After the movie is released, I'll spend hours pouring over every line of the ship, looking at every difference, smiling at every homage.
I'll spend about five minutes looking at the guy playing Kirk ... maybe longer if he's got magnatomic flux constrictors.
After the movie is released, I'll spend hours pouring over every line of the ship, looking at every difference, smiling at every homage.
I'll spend about five minutes looking at the guy playing Kirk ... maybe longer if he's got magnatomic flux constrictors.
Re: Which are you more curious about? New Kirk or Enterprise
Kirk. They need to get someone new for that role, but I expect the Enterprise to be played, as always, by the Enterprise.
I'm pretty curious about that, too. How are they going to compromise between the tradition of the day-glo 60s stuff (blaringly colorful uniforms, miniskirts, beehive hairdos, Moe haircuts for Vulcans, communicators larger than cell phones) and the need for it all not to come off as comic?
The exterior of the Enterprise certainly doesn't need to be altered one iota. Do people want it to be?
Kirk. They need to get someone new for that role, but I expect the Enterprise to be played, as always, by the Enterprise.
I'm pretty curious about that, too. How are they going to compromise between the tradition of the day-glo 60s stuff (blaringly colorful uniforms, miniskirts, beehive hairdos, Moe haircuts for Vulcans, communicators larger than cell phones) and the need for it all not to come off as comic?
The exterior of the Enterprise certainly doesn't need to be altered one iota. Do people want it to be?
Re: Which are you more curious about? New Kirk or Enterprise
Kirk, it doesn't matter what the Enterprise looks like. Acting is way more important.
Kirk, it doesn't matter what the Enterprise looks like. Acting is way more important.
Re: Which are you more curious about? New Kirk or Enterprise
And while I personally love the miniskirts... I recognize that's a y-chromosome thing. Depending on who's wearing 'em, I certainly wouldn't mind a skirt or two... though skirts that are short enough for the undies to show are probably excessively short!
CELL PHONES ARE EXTREME SHORT-RANGE DEVICES. They put out a tiny, tiny low power signal, and are USELESS unless they have a cellular receiver network with towers every mile or so to work with.
A communicator, by contrast, is a high-power device with a range of tens of thousands of miles (nearly 20,000 by spec, and over 30,000 in practice, per TOS) In other words, a communicator is more like fitting one of the big dish antennas from the Very Large Array into your pocket than it's like carrying around a cell phone.
The control electronics in the communicator are probably a TINY proportion of the internals... the power source (and it takes a HELL of a lot of power to transmit a clear signal for 20,000 miles, much less 30,000!) and the transmitter itself would make up most of that package.
Cell phones aren't "magic." They ONLY work because there's an infrastructure supporting them. Go someplace without a network and they become expensive paperweights. Communicators work on unexplored worlds, allowing ship-to-surface, and surface-to-surface (beyond the horizon, meaning VERY high-power low frequency stuff), at tremendous ranges.
Not the same thing at all.
Honestly, I think that they'll be able to present stuff that's consistent with everything we saw in the 60s, but just... tuned up?... a little bit.
I am 99.999% certain that we're not going to see TOS-series ships, uniforms, props, etc. It's going to be set between "The Cage" and "Where No Man Has Gone Before." And so we'll see tan shirts and pale blue shirts, over uniforms which are otherwise entirely black. We'll see sets that are less colorful than the TOS ones were. If we see hand weapons, they'll be more like Pike's laser than Kirk's phaser (but probably not identical to the stuff we saw in "the Cage). The communicator will look more like Pike's than like the TOS one (but won't be made of epoxy-encapsulated printed circuit board!). If we see a "tricorder" it can look like anything, but will probably NOT look like the TOS one. Oh, and in "The Cage" or "Where No Man Has Gone Before" there were no beehives or miniskirts, remember (except for a background "off-duty" shot, as I recall, in "The Cage"), so that's a moot point anyway!
This stuff was only seen on-screen for a short period of time, so if it's "adjusted" nobody's really gonna mind too much. A barrel-shaped pistol that looks MOSTLY like Pike's pistol but isn't made from typewriter keys and jigsawed 2x4 and a couple of parts from the hardware store should go over nicely.
Yep... she's still looking young as ever!Temis the Vorta said:Kirk. They need to get someone new for that role, but I expect the Enterprise to be played, as always, by the Enterprise.
Not a lot of the TOS stuff was actually "day-glo." Granted, some colors can stand to be toned down a bit, particularly in the set painting, but mostly it was pale naval blues with primary-color highlighting (reds, yellows, etc) Not really "day-glo"
My closet is filled with items every bit as colorful as the uniforms seen on Trek... and I'll bet yours is too. Don't tell me you never wear anything but taupe and tan...
And while I personally love the miniskirts... I recognize that's a y-chromosome thing. Depending on who's wearing 'em, I certainly wouldn't mind a skirt or two... though skirts that are short enough for the undies to show are probably excessively short!
Actually, I rather liked that... it gave him a slightly off-kilter look, but it wasn't OVERTLY different than the other officers, all of whom wore standard-military-style haircuts that aren't even slightly out-of-place today. Spock's "plastic hair" was half of the thing that made him "different."
Actually, this is the only thing in your post that I actually object to...and the reason is simply. You're making assumptions based upon a totally false premise.
CELL PHONES ARE EXTREME SHORT-RANGE DEVICES. They put out a tiny, tiny low power signal, and are USELESS unless they have a cellular receiver network with towers every mile or so to work with.
A communicator, by contrast, is a high-power device with a range of tens of thousands of miles (nearly 20,000 by spec, and over 30,000 in practice, per TOS) In other words, a communicator is more like fitting one of the big dish antennas from the Very Large Array into your pocket than it's like carrying around a cell phone.
The control electronics in the communicator are probably a TINY proportion of the internals... the power source (and it takes a HELL of a lot of power to transmit a clear signal for 20,000 miles, much less 30,000!) and the transmitter itself would make up most of that package.
Cell phones aren't "magic." They ONLY work because there's an infrastructure supporting them. Go someplace without a network and they become expensive paperweights. Communicators work on unexplored worlds, allowing ship-to-surface, and surface-to-surface (beyond the horizon, meaning VERY high-power low frequency stuff), at tremendous ranges.
Not the same thing at all.
So it's not "comic" at all... it only seems that way to people who've become comfortable with the "magic" behind their toys but who have no idea of how those toys work.
Some people do... and it tends to be those people who grew up on the "new" stuff and are playing "king of the hill" between the old and the new.The exterior of the Enterprise certainly doesn't need to be altered one iota. Do people want it to be?
Honestly, I think that they'll be able to present stuff that's consistent with everything we saw in the 60s, but just... tuned up?... a little bit.
I am 99.999% certain that we're not going to see TOS-series ships, uniforms, props, etc. It's going to be set between "The Cage" and "Where No Man Has Gone Before." And so we'll see tan shirts and pale blue shirts, over uniforms which are otherwise entirely black. We'll see sets that are less colorful than the TOS ones were. If we see hand weapons, they'll be more like Pike's laser than Kirk's phaser (but probably not identical to the stuff we saw in "the Cage). The communicator will look more like Pike's than like the TOS one (but won't be made of epoxy-encapsulated printed circuit board!). If we see a "tricorder" it can look like anything, but will probably NOT look like the TOS one. Oh, and in "The Cage" or "Where No Man Has Gone Before" there were no beehives or miniskirts, remember (except for a background "off-duty" shot, as I recall, in "The Cage"), so that's a moot point anyway!
This stuff was only seen on-screen for a short period of time, so if it's "adjusted" nobody's really gonna mind too much. A barrel-shaped pistol that looks MOSTLY like Pike's pistol but isn't made from typewriter keys and jigsawed 2x4 and a couple of parts from the hardware store should go over nicely.
Re: Which are you more curious about? New Kirk or Enterprise
I very much disagree with the last of the above post. The Enterprise will look strikingly familiar, the three uniform colors will be present (Don't you recall the original teaser art? Granted red wasn't present but the blue and gold were Kirk 'n' Spock familiar)... despite the temporal setting, everything we associate with TOS will look more-or-less like what we saw in TOS... black-and-gold communicators, recognizable phasers and tricorders, etc. I would be very disappointed to see the washed out look of "The Cage." It will be a canonical liberty, but they'll stretch the traditional TOS look backward to their story's time.
I very much disagree with the last of the above post. The Enterprise will look strikingly familiar, the three uniform colors will be present (Don't you recall the original teaser art? Granted red wasn't present but the blue and gold were Kirk 'n' Spock familiar)... despite the temporal setting, everything we associate with TOS will look more-or-less like what we saw in TOS... black-and-gold communicators, recognizable phasers and tricorders, etc. I would be very disappointed to see the washed out look of "The Cage." It will be a canonical liberty, but they'll stretch the traditional TOS look backward to their story's time.
Re: Which are you more curious about? New Kirk or Enterprise
"magnatomic flux constrictors."
I took me years to figure out what a six pack meant. I thought it was lower down.
"magnatomic flux constrictors."
I took me years to figure out what a six pack meant. I thought it was lower down.
Re: Which are you more curious about? New Kirk or Enterprise
I'm sure the ship will look just fine. I'm more interested in who's playing Kirk and how Kirk is written.
I'm sure the ship will look just fine. I'm more interested in who's playing Kirk and how Kirk is written.
Re: Which are you more curious about? New Kirk or Enterprise
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Re: Which are you more curious about? New Kirk or Enterprise
The Enterprise. I'm really curios as to how much (if any) they will change. It's not that I'm not interested in the Kirk casting, but after they casted Quinto, I'm sure they'll do a good job with Kirk too.
The Enterprise. I'm really curios as to how much (if any) they will change. It's not that I'm not interested in the Kirk casting, but after they casted Quinto, I'm sure they'll do a good job with Kirk too.
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