Where was Alexander during "Family"?

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  1. erastus25

    erastus25 Commodore Commodore

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    Did I miss a throw-away line somewhere? Wasn't he supposed to be living with Worf's parents at that time?
     
  2. ManOnTheWave

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    Worf did not know Alexander existed until like four episodes after "Family." Alexander was living with his mother.
     
  3. erastus25

    erastus25 Commodore Commodore

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    Oh man, you're right. Sorry for the irrelevant thread - for some reason I was convinced he learned about Alexander in S3.
     
  4. Peach Wookiee

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    Alexander was born during the Season 3 episode, "Booby Trap."
     
  5. RoJoHen

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    We never see his birth. :confused:
     
  6. T'Girl

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    He hatched out of an egg.
     
  7. Timo

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    Not only do we never see Alexander hatching, we never hear references to his age. Save for

    1) him being less than thirteen in "Firstborn", which is no limitation at all,
    2) him being four years old when he moved in with Worf as per "Time's Orphan", which could refer to anything from "Reunion" on but definitely happens less than four seasons after "The Emissary", and
    3) him being born on stardate 43205 as per "New Ground", but that's only his own childish word on the issue...

    There is little reason to think he would be much younger than the actors portraying him - until DS9 "Sons and Daughters", where he follows the apparent Klingon pattern and becomes a teenager before actually being one.

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  8. Terok Nor

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    Alexander's age never made any sense to me. I don't know why it couldn't have been stated that he was born before the series began but I suspect there was some Klingon reason about mating habits that prevented it. Klingons appear to be capable of living for well over 100 years so it would make more sense for Alexander's age to progress slower rather than faster yet he looks 10 years old by Season 7 of TNG and at least 16 by the time he shows up on DS9 - all in the space of a few years.

    I imagine the writers regretted creating Alexander since they pretty much jettisoned him after early Season 6 of TNG.
     
  9. Terok Nor

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    Of coure the real head scratcher is the human Molly O'Brien going from a newborn baby to a walking talking brat in a year.
     
  10. Marsden

    Marsden Commodore Commodore

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    I've heard or read that while they can live longer they mature faster because they do. I think a Klingon is an adult by 10 instead of 18.

    Transporter accident.
     
  11. Timo

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    All the old fanfic and novel writing assumed Klingons age fast and die young - the reason for dying young was either left undefined, or assumed to be the violent nature of the Klingon society. It would more or less follow that skilled Klingons live long and prosper... But it took DS9 to show us how long!

    It could be argued that humanoid societies where the old geezers refuse to die at a decent age are automatically very violent societies: Klingons and Vulcans would be our Exhibits A and B. Although Vulcans probably were worse as they had fewer resources over which to compete...

    It's just too bad that there never was an episode that would have established that Worf was sixteen in "Encounter at Farpoint"! And then "Sins of the Father" came and ruined that.

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  12. Orac

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    Children grow at an accelerated rate in fictional TV dramas so the child actors can be ditched asap.
     
  13. Tracy Trek

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    This thread makes me think of how on Voyager in the episode Faces, B'Elanna says her father left when she was 5. Then in the episode Lineage she appears to be about 12 in the flashback scenes of her childhood. I remember at the time wondering if 5 Klingon years was equivalent to 12 human years (or maybe it was Kessick years since they lived there).

    You see, I had always assumed Alexander was conceived when K'Elayar was on the ship the first time. Not that she already had him when she and Worf had been together before. And when she came back with Alexander in tow, the writers just made him older for the sake of the story. Like how soap opera writers do all the time. Or that Klingons either age twice as fast as humans or their year numbering system being on another planet would be different.
     
  14. Anwar

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    The idea was that Klingons age faster to adulthood, but then live longer adult lives.

    That, or Alexander's hybrid physiology caused him to age faster (being 1/4 Human).

    I always thought that it would've made more sense for him to be the result of Worf and K'Ehlyar's earlier pre-show relationship but she just didn't tell him about their son til years later.
     
  15. RoJoHen

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    I just assumed that Klingons age faster than humans. I mean, compared to most other animals, humans age really slow.
     
  16. JesterFace

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    Maybe Alexander was already born during 'The Emissary' but K'Ehleyr just didn't mention him to Worf... until 'Reunion'
     
  17. Timo

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    That would certainly be in keeping with K'Ehleyr's personality. Plus it puts an extra twist to her turning down Worf's attempt to propose in "The Emissary". As in "It's cute that you try to be so old-fashionedly decent, but what'd be the point? I'm not, and the proof is waiting back home, head-butting the nanny".

    Timo Saloniemi
     
  18. jimbotron

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    Also known as SORAS. Soap Opera Rapid Aging Syndrome.