Where do the Vulcans...[Spoilers]

[awesomeocalypse]

Apologies if this is already a thread, I searched and didn't see one devoted to the topic.

But, assuming Vulcan is not somehow brought back (which doesn't strike me as likely to occur), where do the Vulcans go from here as a a people? There are 10,000 of them, which is a little BSG-esque, except presumably the rest of the federation would ensure that they'll be relocated to a planet that is at least sustainably livable.

Then what? Are they reduced to an esoteric and inconsequential minority? The meager remnant of a once great people?

One idea I've seen brought up is that Spock-Prime will give them technology from his time, which I kinda like, both because i could see it being justified as being essential to the survival of their people, and because I think the idea of the Vulcans as an extremely rare but much, much more technologically advanced race has serious storytelling potential.

But I know much less than nearly everyone else here, so I'm curious to here what other people see happening from here on out. Where will they go? How do you think they'll cope, as a people and as a culture? I mean, they've essentially undergone a holocaust at Romulan hands--I imagine more than a few of them are a little, as Spock would say, emotionally compromised.

 

[cwl]

well I said in another thread- if 1 in a thousand vulcans were off-world then thats 6 million people.

however if there's only 10 thousand I think that they'll use clones to boost the population.

 

[DiSiLLUSiON]

I like the fact that those katra's they've been saving in those katric arcs of theirs are now finally free.

 

[USS Triumphant]

All of the remaining Vulcans take their various ships, form a fleet, and go looking for a long lost Vulcan colony - a shining planet, known as Hephaestus.

Never mind calling him Spock Prime - we can all call him Spock Adama.

 

[Peter the Younger]

They should settle on Cestus III. Seems pretty close to their old digs. Plus, it will inevitably lead to: Vulcans vs. Gorn!

 

[gastrof]

well I said in another thread- if 1 in a thousand vulcans were off-world then thats 6 million people.

however if there's only 10 thousand I think that they'll use clones to boost the population.

Cloning's a nice way to increase the SIZE of your population, but it's also a nice way to cause extreme inbreeding.

As TNG's "Up the Long Ladder" explained, when you have only a few people to clone from, you can't establish genetic diversity and end up having to endlessly clone and reclone the same people just to keep your numbers up, since there are too few to successfully build a genetically diverse population.

While 10,000 is quite a way from UtLL's SIX, the point is still made.

I do like the idea that many Vulcans may have been offworld. At least that gives things a boost. Plus, there are the halfling children out there (like Saavik) that technically are still Vulcan, at least genetically, since Romulans ARE Vulcan by way of ancestry. That'll help a little, if those kids do actually exist in this reality and the Vulcans are able to find and rescue them.

Still, even if you can DOUBLE the population by those two means, 20,000 isn't a big number.

Of course, there IS the matter of the "lunar colony Vulcanis" where Tuvok was born. It may already be established, and since Vulcan has no moon, it might not even be in the same star system. Who knows how many Vulcans are there? (Tho' they may have been among the 10,000 Spock spoke of. )

The Vulcans have a long road ahead of them.

 

[DiSiLLUSiON]

Cloning's a nice way to increase the SIZE of your population, but it's also a nice way to cause extreme inbreeding.

Unless you have huge DNA archives, which I'm sure the Vulcans -- as they are a very logical and scientifically inclined species -- have. Simply inject DNA changes into each clone.

 

[cwl]

I should have mentioned genetic engineering as well as cloning

 

[gastrof]

...Unless you have huge DNA archives, which I'm sure the Vulcans -- as they are a very logical and scientifically inclined species -- have. Simply inject DNA changes into each clone.

Aren't you talking about all those labs and storage facilities that vanished as the planet collapsed into the black hole?

They had what? Ten minutes warning?

Sure, gather all the DNA that's stored and escape in ten minutes.

I think they'd be more concerned about getting PEOPLE off the planet than tissue samples.

I should have mentioned genetic engineering as well as cloning

Hmmm...

Nu-Trek's way of reintroducing Khan...

Not human, but a genetically engineered VULCAN.

Ooooooooooo...

How interestingly dangerous...

 

[DiSiLLUSiON]

Aren't you talking about all those labs and storage facilities that vanished as the planet collapsed into the black hole?

Yes, the Vulcans have only been in space for a very long time... Let's just assume, that even though they've got high-warp capable ships, they never actually colonized any planet at all. Does that seem logical to you?

 

[Jerikka Dawn]

They'd probably blend in pretty good on Mintaka III

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Are 10,000 Vulcans enough to ensure a diverse genetic base from which to repopulate the species?

 

[roguephoenix]

All of the remaining Vulcans take their various ships, form a fleet, and go looking for a long lost Vulcan colony - a shining planet, known as Hephaestus.

Never mind calling him Spock Prime - we can all call him Spock Adama.

is this when they find a planet occupied by cyborgs who call themselves... borg?

 

[commodore64]

Yeah, I like that they're searching for a new home. I'll be disappointed if the new home is called Vulcan.

 

[Jeri]

Are 10,000 Vulcans enough to ensure a diverse genetic base from which to repopulate the species?

Dr. Pulaski said it would take 30 couples, with three mates each, to make a viable population. But of course, that's only if one of your groups is an earthy gaggle of Irish historical reinactors.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Yeah, I like that they're searching for a new home. I'll be disappointed if the new home is called Vulcan.

What would you suggest they call it? There's no reason to call it anything but Vulcan, since all of its citizens *are* Vulcans. Where's the logic in changing the name?

 

[Captain Fine]

As far as I'm concerned, Vulcans really need to concentrate on Reunification more than ever now. Romulans are pretty much genetically Vulcan anyway. Vulcans are like Dogs and Romulans are like Wolves. We just need to "domesticate" more of the Romulans. Vulcans natural state is plagued with emotion and passion, as the Romulans are. I don't think genetic diversity is really a big problem with Vulcans. They have all the diversity they'll ever need on Romulus. They just need to start a recruitment camp on Romulus and increase their numbers that way.

Yeah, I like that they're searching for a new home. I'll be disappointed if the new home is called Vulcan.

What would you suggest they call it? There's no reason to call it anything but Vulcan, since all of its citizens *are* Vulcans. Where's the logic in changing the name?

I'd be happy if they called it New Vulcan. We can't gloss over Vulcan Prime's destruction.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I doubt the Romulans would want them. All that Romulans are interested in is war and conquest. The Vulcans of this timeline would not appear to be worthy opponents. Where's the battlefield honor in accepting a set of apparently hopeless refugees?

 

[commodore64]

What would you suggest they call it? There's no reason to call it anything but Vulcan, since all of its citizens *are* Vulcans. Where's the logic in changing the name?

Ha! Nice one. I don't know. Would I blow your mind if I suggested Remus? (Plot music here: bum, bum, buuummmmm.)

 

[Captain Fine]

I doubt the Romulans would want them. All that Romulans are interested in is war and conquest. The Vulcans of this timeline would not appear to be worthy opponents. Where's the battlefield honor in accepting a set of apparently hopeless refugees?

If you're referring to what I said, I didn't say anything about settling on Romulus. They need a recruitment centre. Vulcanism is a way of life. Grab a Romulan and give them a Vulcan upbringing, and POOF! you have a bona fide Vulcan.

In fact, your saying "refugee" gives me an idea. Vulcans can go to Romulan orphanages and take every single child and raise them as their own.