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When a plan goes completely the other way...

K'Ehleyr

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This totally confused me...

Son has been complaining about working 2 weekend nights (interfers with revision ~ ok social life!) at the restaurant on the upcoming to his exams and has holiday to take. Asks to take holiday and it is denied.

Boss texts and say 'come in for a chat' *impending doom lurks*

Son, this morning, "I'm not doing it! We agreed one night a week. She's bullying me"

Me, in the kitchen, "Repeat after me ~ 'we agreed I would just work 1 day a week whilst I'm doing my A levels'. Say nothing more."

Son and me in kitchen "Say it again"
"We agreed..."

etc etc.

So when I called him after the meeting and asked how he got on he said "Yeah it was a bit weird"
Me, "So what shifts are you doing now?"
Son "Oh 3 ~ Tues, Thurs and odd weekends"

:rolleyes: That eye roll is not big enough to sum up my "What part of standing your ground did you not understand?"

:guffaw:

There must be other stories when you went in with a plan and came out thinking ~ 'that was not suppose to be what happens'... Please tell me Son is not the only one.

Oh and tales of 'accidentally buying a time share' my Dad claims that one :rolleyes:
 
Your son is not the only one. My nephew, the one we said could move in with us(?), said he wanted to go to Cal State here. Once he's up here, he tells us he wants to transfer to University of Delaware. Where his GF is. And then I find out that the music program he was taking before precluding him taking general ed classes (required for the first two years of college). And the courses he's taking in California may or may not be transferable to Delaware. And he has no idea how he'd pay out-of-state tuition in Delaware (not me, that's for sure!).

I've met a few intelligent young people, but are most 20yo's that damn stupid? I wasn't at that age. No, seriously. I was finishing my AA (and had most of my general ed courses but decided not to get a Bachelors then) and began working the day after I turned 21. At a job I kept for 16 yrs at pay that would be considered good even now.

Can somebody speak up for the average 20yo and show they're not all foolish?
 
Can somebody speak up for the average 20yo and show they're not all foolish?

I wish I could, but I can't. After graduating High School I skipped out on going to College and got a job at a mobile phone factory. After 3 years working there I finally decided to go to College. I enrolled in a local community college and spent the next seven years dicking around in courses that I really didn't need.

I did finally get my associates degree, but no one should spend seven years wasting their life to get it.
 
My mom and me are having similar conversations about my sister. She graduated from college with a BS in Theater, last may and is not yet pursuing her chosen career field. She is currently a Zumba instructor, not even trying to find work on Broadway or elsewhere. My mom is pretty much footing the bill for her, paying her rent and putting money in her banking account. My dad is about to retire and they won't be able to do this for much longer. I was all for this, if my sister was searching for things on Broadway but not doing that and not having a real job is putting a real strain on my mom and dad.
 
That's nothing. My brother in law graduated with a degree in Computer Graphics. That was 4 years ago.

What's he doing now? Working at Babies R' Us.

Not that I'm applying myself to my full potential, but then again I don't have a degree in Computer Graphics.
 
I wouldn't worry, since he has a job at so young an age already, he will be learning how to say "no" to people in a position of power over him at a much earlier age than most of his peers. This is good practice for him. First he has to get screwed, then he'll understand why he needs to say "no" the next time. More than likely, the next call in for a "chat", he will have suffered enough and mulled over it enough to stand his ground with conviction. :D
 
Your son is not the only one. My nephew, the one we said could move in with us(?), said he wanted to go to Cal State here. Once he's up here, he tells us he wants to transfer to University of Delaware. Where his GF is. And then I find out that the music program he was taking before precluding him taking general ed classes (required for the first two years of college). And the courses he's taking in California may or may not be transferable to Delaware. And he has no idea how he'd pay out-of-state tuition in Delaware (not me, that's for sure!).

I've met a few intelligent young people, but are most 20yo's that damn stupid? I wasn't at that age. No, seriously. I was finishing my AA (and had most of my general ed courses but decided not to get a Bachelors then) and began working the day after I turned 21. At a job I kept for 16 yrs at pay that would be considered good even now.

Can somebody speak up for the average 20yo and show they're not all foolish?

Oh Propita ~ I wish I could speak up for them. Son is intelligent but makes stupid decisions, which are mostly, obviously my fault! :confused:
Do we expect too much? I've given him as much advice as I can which he takes when it suits and then blames me if it doesn't go his way.

I hope your nephew works it out, Son got up late one morning for College and said 'I won't be able to get in the class if I'm over 10 mins late'
Me ~ 'I know, I'll give you a lift in this time'
Son 'How do you know that'
Me ' Cos I read the ****ing rules!'

Just buy nephew a teeshirt that says "RTFM" :lol:

Can somebody speak up for the average 20yo and show they're not all foolish?

I wish I could, but I can't. After graduating High School I skipped out on going to College and got a job at a mobile phone factory. After 3 years working there I finally decided to go to College. I enrolled in a local community college and spent the next seven years dicking around in courses that I really didn't need.

I did finally get my associates degree, but no one should spend seven years wasting their life to get it.

What are you doing now Aldo?
Son and I have already decided if he doesn't have a specific aim then there's no point in Uni if he's not committed ~ well unless he wants to committ to a huge loan :devil:

My mom and me are having similar conversations about my sister. She graduated from college with a BS in Theater, last may and is not yet pursuing her chosen career field. She is currently a Zumba instructor, not even trying to find work on Broadway or elsewhere. My mom is pretty much footing the bill for her, paying her rent and putting money in her banking account. My dad is about to retire and they won't be able to do this for much longer. I was all for this, if my sister was searching for things on Broadway but not doing that and not having a real job is putting a real strain on my mom and dad.

Oh Tom, dreams and ideas are brilliant, but there does need to be a realistic reward at the end.
Old boss at my work spent 3 years at Uni and achieved a degree in textiles. She now makes bacon sandwiches and pours coffee for golfers :(

That's nothing. My brother in law graduated with a degree in Computer Graphics. That was 4 years ago.

What's he doing now? Working at Babies R' Us.

Not that I'm applying myself to my full potential, but then again I don't have a degree in Computer Graphics.

Surely BIL could get work with a degree in CG?
Then again, qualifications are all very well and admirable. But you still have to go and knock on doors and pester people for employment.

And as for 'full potential' :wah: I know what you mean. I don't have a degree but I know I'm better than working in a cafe.

Have I given up hope?


This totally confused me...

A case of doing the opposite of what mum says?

Maybe Jadzia, but what Son said was he only wanted to do one day and I backed him up on that. He wants to get his qualifications too.

For him to agree to do more days has just flummoxed me :confused:

I wouldn't worry, since he has a job at so young an age already, he will be learning how to say "no" to people in a position of power over him at a much earlier age than most of his peers. This is good practice for him. First he has to get screwed, then he'll understand why he needs to say "no" the next time. More than likely, the next call in for a "chat", he will have suffered enough and mulled over it enough to stand his ground with conviction. :D

I hope so An Officer ~ Son does have to learn to stand up for himself and I am proud that he has lasted 10 months in his first proper job, with a Michellin starred chef and all :techman:

But he does tell of some horrible things that have been said to him in the kitchen ~ homophobic references etc. And the 'jesting' that non-English speaking workers don't understand.

To be honest ~ I'm torn between saying "you can't allow anyone to speak to you like that, quit now" and "it's life, it's going to happen. Make a way of dealing with it and putting them down at the same time"
 
That's nothing. My brother in law graduated with a degree in Computer Graphics. That was 4 years ago.

What's he doing now? Working at Babies R' Us.

Not that I'm applying myself to my full potential, but then again I don't have a degree in Computer Graphics.

College degrees are not what they used to be. All of my friends have at least a bachelors degree, and none of them have been able to get jobs in their respective fields. It's just the way of things now. Most high school graduates go off and get bachelor's degrees, so they're not very impressive to see on a resume anymore. Associates degrees are even less so.

I have an BA in Accounting, and I've been a bartender for the last 5 years.
 
To be honest ~ I'm torn between saying "you can't allow anyone to speak to you like that, quit now" and "it's life, it's going to happen. Make a way of dealing with it and putting them down at the same time"


We have to learn how to stand up for ourselves. Saying 'yes' is easy because it appeases. Saying 'no' can be difficult because it highlights a conflict of interests. Does he have the self confidence to say no? Does he prefer to avoid conflict?

I'm not judging his decision as right or wrong ~ it's his own decision to make ~ but the decisions he makes could set a precedent: He could get used to saying yes, and get used to being/doing what others want him to be/do. That could become established as part of his personality.
 
To be honest ~ I'm torn between saying "you can't allow anyone to speak to you like that, quit now" and "it's life, it's going to happen. Make a way of dealing with it and putting them down at the same time"


We have to learn how to stand up for ourselves. Saying 'yes' is easy because it appeases. Saying 'no' can be difficult because it highlights a conflict of interests. Does he have the self confidence to say no? Does he prefer to avoid conflict?

I'm not judging his decision as right or wrong ~ it's his own decision to make ~ but the decisions he makes could set a precedent: He could get used to saying yes, and get used to being/doing what others want him to be/do. That could become established as part of his personality.

I would say that he prefers to avoid conflict.

He likes to please and be amenable. As you point out ~ that is his choice, but I would like to see a little bit more Klingon in him :klingon:

Then again he is just 18 and, hopefully, learning all the time.
 
One thing I've found out....they (20yos) CAN think. But for some reason, they don't want to let anyone know!!! Nephew has taken steps on his future. Nowhere near what he needs, but some steps. But he doesn't tell us and ... well... pouts that we question him in our ignorance of his actions. How are we to know?

Oh, and he says we're "boring" because we stay home a lot. Hubby doesn't get home until 9:00 or 9:30 pm on work days, 10:00pm when teaching two nights a week. Yeah, we're boring. I warned Nephew that we were, describing just how boring (read or watch tv most nights), but he didn't believe me. No idea what he expected when I warned him. This from someone who spends the day on his bed Skype-ing his GF, composing music, and playing video games.
 
One thing I've found out....they (20yos) CAN think. But for some reason, they don't want to let anyone know!!! Nephew has taken steps on his future. Nowhere near what he needs, but some steps. But he doesn't tell us and ... well... pouts that we question him in our ignorance of his actions. How are we to know?

I can relate to this. I think it's a holdover from the teenage years when we just want our parents to leave us alone. I don't like my parents to know my plans until I am fully committed and have reached the point of no return. Otherwise they might use their adult wisdom to dissuade from my bad decisions...and we can't have that! :lol:
 
One thing I've found out....they (20yos) CAN think. But for some reason, they don't want to let anyone know!!! Nephew has taken steps on his future. Nowhere near what he needs, but some steps. But he doesn't tell us and ... well... pouts that we question him in our ignorance of his actions. How are we to know?

Oh, and he says we're "boring" because we stay home a lot. Hubby doesn't get home until 9:00 or 9:30 pm on work days, 10:00pm when teaching two nights a week. Yeah, we're boring. I warned Nephew that we were, describing just how boring (read or watch tv most nights), but he didn't believe me. No idea what he expected when I warned him. This from someone who spends the day on his bed Skype-ing his GF, composing music, and playing video games.

But to them I suppose we are boring. Then again we've 'been there, done it' and in my recall it wasn't all that special anyway ~ just caused more teenage angst!

I remember in my teens thinking a weekend night without a party was going to ruin my life! Now a weekend with a party is marked on the calender with stars, underlined and means weeks of preparation; what to wear? What shoes? What present to take? To Botox or not to botox (kidding :lol:), who will be there and how bored will I be?

When Son comes in to find me and Man playing board games and me getting very frustrated, he will say 'I can't see why you do it'
My reply 'Well it's like playing a game on your DS, but in 3D' ;)

I would say that he prefers to avoid conflict.

He likes to please and be amenable.

So do you now feel you understand why he agreed to do extra shifts?

Yes but he's still going to moan at me about it :rolleyes:

One thing I've found out....they (20yos) CAN think. But for some reason, they don't want to let anyone know!!! Nephew has taken steps on his future. Nowhere near what he needs, but some steps. But he doesn't tell us and ... well... pouts that we question him in our ignorance of his actions. How are we to know?

I can relate to this. I think it's a holdover from the teenage years when we just want our parents to leave us alone. I don't like my parents to know my plans until I am fully committed and have reached the point of no return. Otherwise they might use their adult wisdom to dissuade from my bad decisions...and we can't have that! :lol:

So when I say to Son as he goes out 'Where you going? Who you seeing? What are you doing?'
That would be annoying? :lol:

Good, Excellent :devil:
 
So when I say to Son as he goes out 'Where you going? Who you seeing? What are you doing?'
That would be annoying? :lol:

Good, Excellent :devil:

And as he's on his way out, don't forget to lick your handkerchief and wipe the marks off his face. :p
 
I wouldn't worry, since he has a job at so young an age already, he will be learning how to say "no" to people in a position of power over him at a much earlier age than most of his peers. This is good practice for him. First he has to get screwed, then he'll understand why he needs to say "no" the next time. More than likely, the next call in for a "chat", he will have suffered enough and mulled over it enough to stand his ground with conviction. :D

And he'll also learn that he's "just" got an entry level position and saying no one too many times will result in him getting replaced.

Sometimes you need to learn to pick your battles or live with the consequences.. i know tons of people who rarely say no to the boss and just complain to the coworkers. It's a lofty ideal to stick it to the boss but people rarely do unless they are vital to a companie's business and are not easily replaced.
 
And he'll also learn that he's "just" got an entry level position and saying no one too many times will result in him getting replaced.

Some people say "I'm lucky to have my job", while others say "My employer is lucky that I'm willing to do this job."

Some people apply for alsorts of jobs, with the attitude of "One of them is bound to hire me", while others apply much more selectively with the attitude of "I don't just want any job. I want one that fits with my personality, otherwise I'll end up miserable."

Some people put their self first. Some people do not.
 
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