whats your rank of TOS and TNG films?
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1. Star Trek (2009)
2. The Wrath of Khan
3. The Motion Picture
4. The Voyage Home
5. First Contact
6. The Undiscovered Country
7. The Final Frontier
8. The Search for Spock
9. Generations
10. Insurrection
11. Nemesis
2. The Wrath of Khan
3. The Motion Picture
4. The Voyage Home
5. First Contact
6. The Undiscovered Country
7. The Final Frontier
8. The Search for Spock
9. Generations
10. Insurrection
11. Nemesis
1. First Contact
2. The Undiscovered Country
3. The Wrath of Khan
4. The Voyage Home
5. The Motion Picture
6. Insurrection
7. Generations
8. The Search for Spock
9. Nemesis
10. The Final Frontier
2. The Undiscovered Country
3. The Wrath of Khan
4. The Voyage Home
5. The Motion Picture
6. Insurrection
7. Generations
8. The Search for Spock
9. Nemesis
10. The Final Frontier
1.Wrath of Khan
2.Search for Spock
3.The Voyage Home
4.The Undiscovered Country
5.First Contact
6.The Final Frontier
7.The Motion Picture
8.Nemesis
9.Insurrection
10.Generations
2.Search for Spock
3.The Voyage Home
4.The Undiscovered Country
5.First Contact
6.The Final Frontier
7.The Motion Picture
8.Nemesis
9.Insurrection
10.Generations
My faves have always been:
1. The Wrath of Khan-outstanding script, direction and acting. Not to mention Montalban's muscular chest! Wow!
2. The Search for Spock- for "Stealing the Enterprise" scene, Spock/Kirk "You came back for me" speech and performance by Mark Leonard as Sarek.
3. The Voyage Home - for "Punk on the Bus" scene, outstanding performance by De Kelley for "Chekov rescue scene" and enviromental message. Good script and direction.
4. The Motion Picture - Fond memories because it was the first Star Trek since TV series....hey, we were hungry in those days!
5. The Final Frontier- Enjoyable opening sequence in Yellowstone, good performance by Lawrence Luckinbill.
6. Insurrection - Like a good TNG TV episode.
7. The Undiscovered Country - Poor direction and pacing. Performances inconsistant. Pepto-Bismal Blood of Klingon unbelievable. Mind rape of Valaris disturbing.
8. Generations - Poor direction and plotting. Script nonsensical. Cast not taking their performances seriously. Killing of Kirk wrong. Outstanding performance by Malcolm McDowell.
9 and 10. First Contact & Nemesis - So bad I couldn't sit through them to the end. Poor direction and inconsistant plotting. Cast not taking roles seriously.
11. Star Trek 2009 - Not Star Trek in my opinion. Sorry, my gut won't allow any other answer.
1. The Wrath of Khan-outstanding script, direction and acting. Not to mention Montalban's muscular chest! Wow!
2. The Search for Spock- for "Stealing the Enterprise" scene, Spock/Kirk "You came back for me" speech and performance by Mark Leonard as Sarek.
3. The Voyage Home - for "Punk on the Bus" scene, outstanding performance by De Kelley for "Chekov rescue scene" and enviromental message. Good script and direction.
4. The Motion Picture - Fond memories because it was the first Star Trek since TV series....hey, we were hungry in those days!
5. The Final Frontier- Enjoyable opening sequence in Yellowstone, good performance by Lawrence Luckinbill.
6. Insurrection - Like a good TNG TV episode.
7. The Undiscovered Country - Poor direction and pacing. Performances inconsistant. Pepto-Bismal Blood of Klingon unbelievable. Mind rape of Valaris disturbing.
8. Generations - Poor direction and plotting. Script nonsensical. Cast not taking their performances seriously. Killing of Kirk wrong. Outstanding performance by Malcolm McDowell.
9 and 10. First Contact & Nemesis - So bad I couldn't sit through them to the end. Poor direction and inconsistant plotting. Cast not taking roles seriously.
11. Star Trek 2009 - Not Star Trek in my opinion. Sorry, my gut won't allow any other answer.
Very hard to list them all. My favourites are Wrath of Khan and Search for Spock, while The Final Frontier and Star Trek 09 were the only ones I didn't like.
In order of how I like to watch them, which ones I find enjoyable.
1. Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan -- How scientific advancement affects military technology and uses, Kirk's journey from spiritual death to spiritual life, Spock's peace and eventual death (that is treated as a gift, not a sombre moment). Exploring who Kirk is and how he got that way through his role as a teacher. Just a rich and multi-layered story.
2. Star Trek: Insurrection -- An interesting moral dilemna, Picard and the Enterprise crew as more than soldiers stopping a madman (or madmen) from destroying the Federation, the Enterprise, or earth. A unique piece of Star Trek.
3. Star Trek: The Motion Picture -- a clever and throught-provoking idea of a machine that wishes to make the next leap into consciousness juxtaposed with Spock's search for pure logic. Kirk wishing to find fulfillment again, and finding it, and Decker being without it when he loses Ilia and the Enterprise because of Kirk. In the Original Series, the Enterprise crew hummed in every situation. This ship had a command structure that could've ruined the mission. It isn't well-executed but the material is deep enough that I enjoy it.
4. Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country -- This is where I start to have problems. The Klingons would not have a problem attacking Kirk, plain and simple. The basis of the movie is that Kirk is a bigot and learns how not to be. That is not a strong enough movie for me.
5. Star Trek: Nemesis -- Shinzon is not menacing enough. There is no conflict between who he is and what he could become in Tom Hardy's performance. Other then that, other than more or less of Shinzon, it's a good picture, and underrated.
6. Star Trek III: The Search for Spock -- This is the anti-Motion Picture. Great in execution, horrible in story and where it took the film franchise.
7. Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home -- No consequence for Kirk, and he's given a starship. Bugs me every time.
8. Star Trek: Generations -- A clunky story with b-rate acting.
9. Star Trek V: The Final Frontier -- A story that has an interesting premise, but fails on its merits.
10. Star Trek: First Contact -- The anti-Star Trek. Picard is Bruce Willis, Lily is Guinan to Picard, no one needs to do anything but "ready phasers" unless they are telling George Washington that the United States will become the greatest country in the history of the world. Horrible movie. I hate it.
1. Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan -- How scientific advancement affects military technology and uses, Kirk's journey from spiritual death to spiritual life, Spock's peace and eventual death (that is treated as a gift, not a sombre moment). Exploring who Kirk is and how he got that way through his role as a teacher. Just a rich and multi-layered story.
2. Star Trek: Insurrection -- An interesting moral dilemna, Picard and the Enterprise crew as more than soldiers stopping a madman (or madmen) from destroying the Federation, the Enterprise, or earth. A unique piece of Star Trek.
3. Star Trek: The Motion Picture -- a clever and throught-provoking idea of a machine that wishes to make the next leap into consciousness juxtaposed with Spock's search for pure logic. Kirk wishing to find fulfillment again, and finding it, and Decker being without it when he loses Ilia and the Enterprise because of Kirk. In the Original Series, the Enterprise crew hummed in every situation. This ship had a command structure that could've ruined the mission. It isn't well-executed but the material is deep enough that I enjoy it.
4. Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country -- This is where I start to have problems. The Klingons would not have a problem attacking Kirk, plain and simple. The basis of the movie is that Kirk is a bigot and learns how not to be. That is not a strong enough movie for me.
5. Star Trek: Nemesis -- Shinzon is not menacing enough. There is no conflict between who he is and what he could become in Tom Hardy's performance. Other then that, other than more or less of Shinzon, it's a good picture, and underrated.
6. Star Trek III: The Search for Spock -- This is the anti-Motion Picture. Great in execution, horrible in story and where it took the film franchise.
7. Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home -- No consequence for Kirk, and he's given a starship. Bugs me every time.
8. Star Trek: Generations -- A clunky story with b-rate acting.
9. Star Trek V: The Final Frontier -- A story that has an interesting premise, but fails on its merits.
10. Star Trek: First Contact -- The anti-Star Trek. Picard is Bruce Willis, Lily is Guinan to Picard, no one needs to do anything but "ready phasers" unless they are telling George Washington that the United States will become the greatest country in the history of the world. Horrible movie. I hate it.
Wrath of KhanFirst ContactVoyage Home
2009Search for SpockUndiscovered CountryMotion Picture
Generations
Final Frontier
Insurrection
Nemesis...
...okay, so I didn't really hate any of them...I just wanted to use those emoticons, especially the barfing one. Some day I will grow up.
Hmm. After a recent marathon I think I'd move Khan to the top and have The Search for Spock and First Contact above The Voyage Home.
Generatons is the only Trek movie I genuinely dislike though. Not a great film franchise but not a bad one either.
Having not seen any but my top 4 in years I reserve the right to come and cry foul on this at some point, but:
First Contact
The Undiscovered Country
2009
Wrath of Kahn
Generations
The Voyage Home
The Search for Spock
Insurrection
Nemesis
The Motion Picture
The Final Frontier
First Contact
The Undiscovered Country
2009
Wrath of Kahn
Generations
The Voyage Home
The Search for Spock
Insurrection
Nemesis
The Motion Picture
The Final Frontier
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