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What's So Wrong With Being a Trekkie?!

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What's So Wrong With Being a Trekkie?! They're batting around the "persecution complex" of Trekkies and the era of hope Trek XI during which is going to have the good fortune to come out in this article at Pink Raygun and its excellent comment thread.

http://www.pinkraygun.com/2008/11/12/what’s-so-wrong-with-being-a-trekkie/

So what does everyone think? Are we really more mainstream than we think?

(I debated whether this was a general topic or a movie topic then decided that to me it's about the movie and how Trekkies should react to the movie, etc. Mods, feel free to overrule me if I messed up your board.)
 
I always thought Trekkies are people who are aficionados in regards to Star Trek, or is there another term for that type of person?
 
(I debated whether this was a general topic or a movie topic then decided that to me it's about the movie and how Trekkies should react to the movie, etc. Mods, feel free to overrule me if I messed up your board.)
Since a good part of the entry/article addresses the movie and the marketing thereof, it ought to be cool for discussion here.

Proceed. :techman:
 
I always thought Trekkies are people who are aficionados in regards to Star Trek, or is there another term for that type of person?
We are that, but the stereotype seems to be that we are also huge nerds that continue to live in our parents' basements at 40-years old.
 
Trek's presence in the mainstream waxes and wanes, but it's never really faded away after 40 years and it may experience a resurgence with the release of the new movie. Even if it does not, it is safe in the hands of the fans until the next major media attempt to bring it back.
 
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I completely sympathize with the conversation in the first couple of paragraphs. I get that reaction all the time. "You are into Star Trek?!", like it's some type of weird porn or something. Then they go on and on about people dressing up in Starfleet uniforms etc. It used to annoy me, now it just makes me sad for the person saying it because it comes out so silly. When I shoot back that sports fans regularly wear the colors and shirts of their teams (or worse, don't wear shirts and PAINT themselves the colors of their teams) they never have a good response except "But that's different!". :p
 
This perception of Trekkies as being people to frown upon seems to me to be an American thing. I've never had a conversation like the one described in the article. In fact, many people I know enjoy Trek, too. Even my Mum watched it in the 70s. TOS and TNG are pretty mainstream here, the other shows aren't as well known but I've never been ridiculed for being a Trek fan.
 
When I shoot back that sports fans regularly wear the colors and shirts of their teams (or worse, don't wear shirts and PAINT themselves the colors of their teams) they never have a good response except "But that's different!". :p

I know, I LOVE that response, because it's the last refuge of a person with no logical or intelligent comeback, and it's also completely untrue.

Let's compare:

1. Star Trek fans gather en masse to celebrate their fandom at conventions. Many people will be dressed in the gear of their favorite character. They'll buy memorabilia and may even get a chance to meet one of the stars.

Sports fans gather en masse to celebrate their fandom at stadiums or arenas for games. Many people will be dressed in the gear of their favorite player. They'll buy memorabilia and may even get a chance ot meet one of the players (provided they're in the right place at the right time).

2. Star Trek fans will set aside time in their day to sit down and watch classic or new Trek episodes. Sometimes they'll even get together in groups to enjoy them, and snacking and general merriment will ensue.

Sports fans will set aside time in their day to sit down and watch classic or new sporting events. Sometimes they'll even get together in groups to enjoy them, and snacking and general merriment will ensue.

3. Star Trek fans will often log on to the internet to talk about episodes past, present, or future, and voice their opinions of what transpired, either positive or negative. "The original series is quintessential Trek!" "Kirk or Picard: Discuss!" "The Kelvin's registry number starts with a zero! OH NOES!!!"

Sports fans will often log on to the internet to talk about games past, present, or future, and voice their opinions of what transpired, either positive or negative. "Lombardi's Packers were the quintessential team!" "Tony Romo returns: Discuss!" "Brett Favre signed with the Jets! OH NOES!!!"

4. Addressing the costume issue, permit me to call your attention to the following:

a. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v606/agtsmithreloaded/Forum Stuff/Cleveland061.jpg

b. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v606/agtsmithreloaded/Forum Stuff/IMG_0511.jpg

Oh, how I rest my case.

Sports fandom is just that: another type of fandom. The focus may be different, but the "game" is the same. And, as much as they want to convince me that their fandom is legitimate because it focuses on "reality", I can tell you, since I live in Milwaukee, that the level of devotion people have here for the Green Bay Packers is anything but realistic.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with being a Trekkie, a Trekker, a Trekkist (!), a Star Trek fan, or whatever designation one who enjoys Star Trek wants to give his or herself. It's just the narrow-mindedness of a few that spawned the social stigma about it. Sadly, enough fuel has been added to keep the flames of ignorance about Trek fandom going for a long time.

Sure, there are those amongst us who take their fandom to an awkward extreme (I'm looking at YOU, "Fleet Commander" Barbara Adams!), but I think it's safe to say that there are plenty of sports fans who take their fandom to awkward extremes as well. What's unfortunate is that the latter is accepted as reasonable while the former is dismissed out of hand.
 
Sure, there are those amongst us who take their fandom to an awkward extreme (I'm looking at YOU, "Fleet Commander" Barbara Adams!), but I think it's safe to say that there are plenty of sports fans who take their fandom to awkward extremes as well. What's unfortunate is that the latter is accepted as reasonable while the former is dismissed out of hand.
I can think of one sports example that I've witnessed personally: Fantasy Football. I have seen friends get into arguments over it for weeks because one guy somehow "stole" another's player or did something that was offensive but within the rules. Add to that the money involved (it's basically a thinly masked form of gambling) and it really amazes me when someone tells me that sports hobbies are somehow more legitimate than Star Trek fandom.
 
This perception of Trekkies as being people to frown upon seems to me to be an American thing. I've never had a conversation like the one described in the article. In fact, many people I know enjoy Trek, too. Even my Mum watched it in the 70s. TOS and TNG are pretty mainstream here, the other shows aren't as well known but I've never been ridiculed for being a Trek fan.
It probably is more an American thing, but I think part of what the article is addressing is how perspective colors perception about what is or is not "cool" -- it all depends on where you're standing. The sports-fan comparison Shatterhand mentions is also touched on here, as it has been elsewhere before.

:lol:

I may have to steal that.
 
Are we really more mainstream than we think?

We had pyjama day at the school I teach at yesterday. Since I don't own PJs, I wore an actual TMP Epsilon 9 leisure shirt (bought from an "It's a Wrap! auction). None of our elementary-aged kids recognized the shirt, but many of the teachers did. No negative comments from any adults at the teddy bear's picnic, and many mentioned they heard a new movie was coming.
 
TOS and TNG are pretty mainstream here, the other shows aren't as well known but I've never been ridiculed for being a Trek fan.

TOS (in syndication) and TNG were very mainstream in the US, too. Some ST fans just seem to hang around with the wrong people, who'd also castigate them for liking other things as well. People get ridiculed for collecting movie soundtracks, going to Broadway shows, owning tiny dogs, wearing Goth clothing, having facial piercings, living at home after age 25, etc. ;)
 
I always thought Trekkies are people who are aficionados in regards to Star Trek, or is there another term for that type of person?
We are that, but the stereotype seems to be that we are also huge nerds that continue to live in our parents' basements at 40-years old.

Who also critisise and obsess over little details in a make believe world, could you imagine if some of the more open minded people thinking "I may give this new Star Trek a go" stumbled accross the STXI forum here, they would quickly run from the uber nerds

Trek's presence in the mainstream waxes and wanes, but it's never really faded away after 40 years and it may experience a resurgence with the release of the new movie. Even if it does not, it is safe in the hands of the fans until the next major media attempt to bring it back.
Which unfortunatly for Star Trek if the latest attempt fails it could be a long long time (if ever) meaning alot of the current self appointed 'keepers/protectors of the Star Trek legacy' may be either dead and buried or too old to care anymore.
 
When I shoot back that sports fans regularly wear the colors and shirts of their teams (or worse, don't wear shirts and PAINT themselves the colors of their teams) they never have a good response except "But that's different!". :p

I know, I LOVE that response, because it's the last refuge of a person with no logical or intelligent comeback, and it's also completely untrue.

Let's compare:

1. Star Trek fans gather en masse to celebrate their fandom at conventions. Many people will be dressed in the gear of their favorite character. They'll buy memorabilia and may even get a chance to meet one of the stars.

Sports fans gather en masse to celebrate their fandom at stadiums or arenas for games. Many people will be dressed in the gear of their favorite player. They'll buy memorabilia and may even get a chance ot meet one of the players (provided they're in the right place at the right time).

2. Star Trek fans will set aside time in their day to sit down and watch classic or new Trek episodes. Sometimes they'll even get together in groups to enjoy them, and snacking and general merriment will ensue.

Sports fans will set aside time in their day to sit down and watch classic or new sporting events. Sometimes they'll even get together in groups to enjoy them, and snacking and general merriment will ensue.

3. Star Trek fans will often log on to the internet to talk about episodes past, present, or future, and voice their opinions of what transpired, either positive or negative. "The original series is quintessential Trek!" "Kirk or Picard: Discuss!" "The Kelvin's registry number starts with a zero! OH NOES!!!"

Sports fans will often log on to the internet to talk about games past, present, or future, and voice their opinions of what transpired, either positive or negative. "Lombardi's Packers were the quintessential team!" "Tony Romo returns: Discuss!" "Brett Favre signed with the Jets! OH NOES!!!"

4. Addressing the costume issue, permit me to call your attention to the following:

a. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v606/agtsmithreloaded/Forum Stuff/Cleveland061.jpg

b. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v606/agtsmithreloaded/Forum Stuff/IMG_0511.jpg

Oh, how I rest my case.

Sports fandom is just that: another type of fandom. The focus may be different, but the "game" is the same. And, as much as they want to convince me that their fandom is legitimate because it focuses on "reality", I can tell you, since I live in Milwaukee, that the level of devotion people have here for the Green Bay Packers is anything but realistic.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with being a Trekkie, a Trekker, a Trekkist (!), a Star Trek fan, or whatever designation one who enjoys Star Trek wants to give his or herself. It's just the narrow-mindedness of a few that spawned the social stigma about it. Sadly, enough fuel has been added to keep the flames of ignorance about Trek fandom going for a long time.

Sure, there are those amongst us who take their fandom to an awkward extreme (I'm looking at YOU, "Fleet Commander" Barbara Adams!), but I think it's safe to say that there are plenty of sports fans who take their fandom to awkward extremes as well. What's unfortunate is that the latter is accepted as reasonable while the former is dismissed out of hand.
Awesome :)
 
This perception of Trekkies as being people to frown upon seems to me to be an American thing. I've never had a conversation like the one described in the article. In fact, many people I know enjoy Trek, too. Even my Mum watched it in the 70s. TOS and TNG are pretty mainstream here, the other shows aren't as well known but I've never been ridiculed for being a Trek fan.

Having lived in Germany for 4 years, I can only confirm what you're saying. Trek isn't ridiculed there at all.... most people would say "yeah, cool," or "I don't like science fiction so much, I prefer real stuff", but I never met anyone in Germany who looked at me funny because I'm a Trekkie. Not once.

Being a football fan got me more stupid comments than being a Trekkie.
 
It is fascinating to me the different reactions I get when I mention I'm a Trekkie, I get even more when I reveal my DS9/VOY combadge tatoo. It used to bother me a when people look at me like I don't wash my hands after picking up dog poop before eating ribs or something. Now I give 'em a live long & proper to irritate them and move along.
 
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