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What would New Human culture have become like, if the producers kept the concept from the TMP novel?

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A quote from the TMP novelization:

"Some critics have characterized us in Starfleet as primitives. And with some justification. In some ways, we do resemble our forebears of a couple of centuries ago more than we do most people today. We’re not part of those increasingly large number of humans who seem willing to submerge their own identities into the groups to which they belong. I am prepared to accept the possibility that these so called “new humans” represent a more highly evolved breed capable of finding rewards in group consciousness that we more primitive individuals will never know.

For the present, however, this new breed of human makes a poor space traveler and Starfleet must depend on us primitives for deep space exploration. It seems an almost absurd claim that we primitives make better space travelers than the highly evolved, superbly intelligent, adaptable new humans. The reason for this paradox is best explained in a Vulcan study of Starfleet’s early years. During which vessel disappearances, crew defections, and mutinies had brought deep space exploration to a near halt. This once controversial report diagnosed those mysterious losses as being caused directly by the fact that Starfleet’s recruitment standards were dangerously high. That is Starfleet Academy’s cadets were then being selected from applicants having the highest possible test scores on all categories of intelligence and adaptability. Understandably, it was believed that such qualities would be helpful in dealing with the unusually varied life patterns which starship crews encountered during deep space exploration. Something of the opposite turned out to be true. The problem was that sooner or later starship crew members must inevitably deal with life forms more evolved and advanced than their own. The result was that these superbly, intelligent and flexible minds being sent out by Starfleet could not help but be seduced eventually by the higher philosophies, aspirations, and consciousness levels being encountered."

In which ways could have been the culture of the New Humans further developed, how would the characters belonging to them act and what would be the differences between them and other human characters?
 
Sounds like we would have gotten love instuctors that would have looked like the Edo from "Justice." Proably would have created more boners than good drama but I guess we will never know. Jason
 
I think New Humans were an early concept for TNG Humans. So my head canon is that New Humans were around in the 23rd Century but completely seeped in by the 24th Century, except on the outskirts. Eventually, New Humans were stress tested by the Borg and Dominion, and the pretense of New Humans disappeared afterwards.
 
Crazy Thought: New Humans were conditioned to be less emotional and to reign in their basic instincts. I think the New Human Movement might've existed as early as the Late-21st and 22nd Centuries. The Vulcans in ENT were intentionally holding Humans back until they could be more like them. What if it was the Vulcans' plan to re-condition Humans from Day One?

Picard, who I always hold up as the poster child of 24th Century Humanity, was summed by Spock when he said he thought Picard was "dispassionate for a Human. There's an almost Vulcan quality to the man." I think this is what the Vulcans wanted. And 300 years later, the results finally started to show.
 
What I like about it is that it show that the humans we see are that way by choice. Yes there are also transhumanist robot, extended life types out there. But there are still human that only want to live a hundred or so years. They don't want to fix balding, or weight issues.
 
A quote from the TMP novelization:

"Some critics have characterized us in Starfleet as primitives. And with some justification. In some ways, we do resemble our forebears of a couple of centuries ago more than we do most people today. We’re not part of those increasingly large number of humans who seem willing to submerge their own identities into the groups to which they belong. I am prepared to accept the possibility that these so called “new humans” represent a more highly evolved breed capable of finding rewards in group consciousness that we more primitive individuals will never know.

I may be on board with calling the Starfleet variety "primitives," but there is no such thing as group consciousness without a telepathic medium of some kind. How is there a hive mind without a hive mind?

For the present, however, this new breed of human makes a poor space traveler and Starfleet must depend on us primitives for deep space exploration. It seems an almost absurd claim that we primitives make better space travelers than the highly evolved, superbly intelligent, adaptable new humans. The reason for this paradox is best explained in a Vulcan study of Starfleet’s early years. During which vessel disappearances, crew defections, and mutinies had brought deep space exploration to a near halt. This once controversial report diagnosed those mysterious losses as being caused directly by the fact that Starfleet’s recruitment standards were dangerously high. That is Starfleet Academy’s cadets were then being selected from applicants having the highest possible test scores on all categories of intelligence and adaptability. Understandably, it was believed that such qualities would be helpful in dealing with the unusually varied life patterns which starship crews encountered during deep space exploration. Something of the opposite turned out to be true. The problem was that sooner or later starship crew members must inevitably deal with life forms more evolved and advanced than their own. The result was that these superbly, intelligent and flexible minds being sent out by Starfleet could not help but be seduced eventually by the higher philosophies, aspirations, and consciousness levels being encountered."

Maybe I'm not smart enough to understand this, but why would smart people be easier to seduce by super-intelligences while dumb ones couldn't be by both super-intelligences and regular intelligences?

In which ways could have been the culture of the New Humans further developed, how would the characters belonging to them act and what would be the differences between them and other human characters?

I'd love to see/read more about the New Humans. I find them intriguing and will have to give more thought to how they'd present.
 
Picard, who I always hold up as the poster child of 24th Century Humanity, was summed by Spock when he said he thought Picard was "dispassionate for a Human. There's an almost Vulcan quality to the man." I think this is what the Vulcans wanted. And 300 years later, the results finally started to show.

I think Picard is very passionate - just rarely showing it. That would be the same as they would have us believe about Vulcans, though.

I wonder how a Vulcan would have responded to being assimilated, transformed into Locutus, destroy a large fleet and kill thousands of the organisation he worked for, and then being de-assimilated, like Picard was.
 
Maybe I'm not smart enough to understand this, but why would smart people be easier to seduce by super-intelligences while dumb ones couldn't be by both super-intelligences and regular intelligences?
My understanding was the New Humans considered themselves to be the smartest possible, so to discover a form of life in fact smarter than they was overwhelming to them. Regular humans accept as a matter of course there are those smarter than they and are therefore not as impressed to meet a super intelligence.
 
I think we got a somewhat New Human-Lite concept with the TNG era. Sort of like Betazoids are Deltans-lite. They're a bit obnoxious and stuffy but overall decent folk.

But I do find it hilarious that, essentially, Roddenberry described the future of humanity's best and brightest are alien weeboos.

"Don't you understand the Bat'leth is the GREATEST SWORD EVER?" - Guy wearing Vulcan robes and fake antenna.
 
Good thing that went the way of the Dodo together with "Stick up his ass"-Riker by Season 2
If the way humanity was depicted in early TNG came from Gene's ideas for the New Humans, there were still signs of life for it in Season 2.

Especially in "Outrageous Okona"...
 
I may be on board with calling the Starfleet variety "primitives," but there is no such thing as group consciousness without a telepathic medium of some kind. How is there a hive mind without a hive mind?

We learned, in the accepted pilot to TOS, that some humans are telepathic. So, presumably, the ESPers are leading the hive minds. By the 24th century, a high ESP quotient might be a disqualifying factor for joining Starfleet.
 
If the way humanity was depicted in early TNG came from Gene's ideas for the New Humans, there were still signs of life for it in Season 2.

Especially in "Outrageous Okona"...
Although a recent novel has retconned Okona as a non-human who resembles humanity on a physical level. Much like an overwhelmingly majority of "aliens" in Star Trek.
 
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