What is a Centurion's rank?

[Christopher]

I agree. That's why it irks me when someone proclaims it sexist when looking at it through the lens of 2021. And it's not just Star Trek. This sort of thing is going on with many old TV shows. I was just watching a youtube video about all the things "wrong with" The Flintstones. Of course, that judgment or wrongness was made by someone making the video in today's social climate. I'm not suggesting that just because something was considered acceptable in the past and isn't now, we should ignore it. I just despise judging things based on 50+ years hindsight instead of within the time it was made. No doubt some of the currently held ideas that are considered to be enlightened and an improvement over the cultural mores of past decades will look similarly archaic 50 years from now.

I don't think past works should be thrown out because of their deficiencies, but it is absolutely worthwhile to acknowledge their deficiencies and the ways their portrayals or attitudes may be hurtful to segments of the audience. Nobody deserves to have that forced on them, so giving people information about the contents of a work, including its potential offensive elements, is the responsible thing to do. It's not about "cancelling" things, or it shouldn't be. It should be about informing people of every aspect of a work, the positives and negatives alike, so they can make well-informed choices.

After all, there's no requirement for everyone to like the same things. Letting people know that a given thing may be hurtful to them doesn't mean that other people can't go on enjoying it. It's like allergy information on food products. If I see "This product contains peanuts" on a food package, I don't take that as a criticism of my enjoyment of peanuts. It's not directed at me at all. It's for the benefit of other people who would be harmed by peanuts. The people who don't want it can avoid it, and the people who do want it can still have it. It doesn't have to be any more complicated than that.

 

[mike hill]

I find it quite amusing the the Romulan Commandrr is held up as a feminist Trek icon.
"First female in ship command, far better than just futuristic secretaries and switchboard operators".
Yet in RL she is solely a futuristic "love" interest for a male lead character!

 

[Timo]

Which is just another way of saying that Spock is but a (somewhat high-stakes) boy toy to her. Feminism is in the eye of the beholder, no two ways around it.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Christopher]

I find it quite amusing the the Romulan Commandrr is held up as a feminist Trek icon.
"First female in ship command, far better than just futuristic secretaries and switchboard operators".
Yet in RL she is solely a futuristic "love" interest for a male lead character!

Baby steps. The progress of one generation ideally should look backward to later generations, because that means the progress kept going.

 

[BK613]

I find it quite amusing the the Romulan Commandrr is held up as a feminist Trek icon.
"First female in ship command, far better than just futuristic secretaries and switchboard operators".
Yet in RL she is solely a futuristic "love" interest for a male lead character!

Except she is trying to "Captain Kirk" Spock to her side of the Neutral Zone.

 

[Hofner]

One thing I can't help observing about the Romulan Commander when Spock says something about her attire.

Y'know that old cliche', "I'll slip into something more comfortable"?

Robert

 

[Phaser Two]

Has anyone mentioned yet that for whatever reason, Memory Alpha says a centurion is equivalent to a lieutenant commander? They don't cite any basis for this conclusion, however. And if someone indeed already said this back on Page 0 of this thread, I sincerely apologize and demand my Right of Statement.

 

[Shamrock Holmes]

Has anyone mentioned yet that for whatever reason, Memory Alpha says a centurion is equivalent to a lieutenant commander? They don't cite any basis for this conclusion, however.

Well, I'm not sure what specific evidence they're using, but it's not an unreasonable speculation.

The other canonical Romulan "naval" ranks are Commander, Sub-Commander and Sub-Lieutenant. The last also implies the existence of a (full) Lieutenant rank.

As in the Vulcan fleet, Commanders appear to be the most senior rank given to single ship commanders, and Sub-Commanders are broadly equivalent to Starfleet Commanders (above staff Commanders, but below CO Commanders).

Therefore, given that in the RW centurions ranked between Lieutenant and Major depending on billet and seniority, then the obvious equivalency is Lieutenant Commander.

 

[Henoch]

The other canonical Romulan "naval" ranks are Commander, Sub-Commander and Sub-Lieutenant. The last also implies the existence of a (full) Lieutenant rank.

The first mention of "Sub-Lieutenant" wasn't until TNG. IMO, this rank (and the implied Lieutenant) didn't exist during TOS and was instituted by the time of TNG.

 

[Shamrock Holmes]

The first mention of "Sub-Lieutenant" wasn't until TNG. IMO, this rank (and the implied Lieutenant) didn't exist during TOS and was instituted by the time of TNG.

Yes and no.

While technically true, in the sense that the name of the rank wasn't established until later, Decius (implicitly no more than a Sub-Commander) was reduced "two steps in rank", therefore the existence of at least four officer ranks was established in the episode.

 

[Henoch]

Combining the Romulan officer ranks found in TOS/TAS and TNG, so far we have:

• Admiral
• Commander
• Sub-Commander
• Centurion
• Lieutenant
• Sub-Lieutenant

Are there anymore?

 

[Shamrock Holmes]

There's also Colonel and Major but they're both Tal Shi'ar so probably don't map directly to that.

It's also possible that they have the Vulcan rank of Fleet Commander (roughly equivalent of Commodore or Rear Admiral) between Commander and Admiral. Lieutenant, Sub-Lieutenant or both may also be refered to as Subaltern, although this may have been an error even for the Vulcans.

Uhlan appears to be the equivalent of either or both of "petty officer" and "crewman".