What Happened to Vulcans defences and ships?
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The distress call was not after they failed. The distress call was for seismic activity.
I have thought about this; it is a sticky point.
If they were already experiencing seismic activity, then the drill was underway -- meaning, they should not have been able to get a message off planet.
I'm open to suggestions about how they did. I can't think of any; maybe I need to reread the book to see if any details were included.
If they were already experiencing seismic activity, then the drill was underway -- meaning, they should not have been able to get a message off planet.
I'm open to suggestions about how they did. I can't think of any; maybe I need to reread the book to see if any details were included.
It's possible that Nero retrofitted the drill to emit a jamming signal in a sufficiently large radius AFTER he activated the drill in order to stop Vulcan's message.
They also could have detected the Narada, but Nero could have approached the planet using Pike's defense grid codes from interrogating him with that Centurian Slug.
My guess is that SF defenses were operational in Vulcan system as SF as an organization became a defense/exploratory fleet of the Federation ... so it's not just Earth's defenses that were on the line here.
Vulcans seem to work aboard Starfleet ships, such as the Intrepid, during TOS.
Vulcans work aboard their own ships during ENT before the Federation Starfleet.
The new film is set nearer the TOS period, so Vulcans probably man Starfleet ships.
Vulcans work aboard their own ships during ENT before the Federation Starfleet.
The new film is set nearer the TOS period, so Vulcans probably man Starfleet ships.
Ya but surely they must have some ships of their own for defense of their homeworld?
Like how states have their own ships to defend themselves even though they're protected by the US Navy?
Sorry but this is more akin to countries having their own armies even though there is a UN.
Well, Nero had 25 years to lurk around and study Vulcan's defenses. Perhaps he kidnapped a high-placed Vulcan and did the "Pike treatment" on him or her.
The part that kinda bothers me is how Kirk and Sulu were able to so easily stop the drill with simple Romulan hand weapons. Makes you wonder why the Enterprise, or an armed shuttle (from Vulcan or the Enterprise), couldn't have just blasted the hell out of it.
And, come to think of it, how did the Enterprise know the drill was manned? Sensor scan? And, why the hell is it manned in the first place? It'd have to be damned hot inside that thing. Talk about earning hazard pay.
As someone else said, why drill at all? Simply exploding the red matter on the surface of Vulcan should've been sufficient to cause the planet to break up.
Look, the movie was entertaining, but as has been said so many times by so many folks, it wasn't exactly a thinking-person's storyline.
The part that kinda bothers me is how Kirk and Sulu were able to so easily stop the drill with simple Romulan hand weapons. Makes you wonder why the Enterprise, or an armed shuttle (from Vulcan or the Enterprise), couldn't have just blasted the hell out of it.
And, come to think of it, how did the Enterprise know the drill was manned? Sensor scan? And, why the hell is it manned in the first place? It'd have to be damned hot inside that thing. Talk about earning hazard pay.
As someone else said, why drill at all? Simply exploding the red matter on the surface of Vulcan should've been sufficient to cause the planet to break up.
Look, the movie was entertaining, but as has been said so many times by so many folks, it wasn't exactly a thinking-person's storyline.
Not really, since we've never seen a Federation world with it's own military.
In fact that's just what Spock did later with the Jellyfish.
Shuttles might not be armed, though -- they weren't until late TNG.
They didn't know it was manned. Kirk and friends were just going plant explosives and blow it up.
It is manned possibly because it is an old hunk of junk that will break down even when shot up by disrupters.
Good points, but --
They could've easily armed a shuttle, I'd think.
If they didn't know it was manned, then why did Pike want the jumpers he chose to have had hand-to-hand combat training? Just in case it was manned?
In case it had proximity defenses, either an automated system or a manned one.
Thanks.
After further review, I also pondered this: a Vulcan ship or base detected seismic activity on the planet remotely and sent the message, out of range of the drill damper.
According to ENT, after the Syrrannites took control Vulcan they dissolved the Vulcan High Command. Vulcans returned to the true teaching of Surek, which would have included Surek's strong views toward pacificism. It would have been unlikely that the planet Vulcan would have been armed with weapons or ships.
Who says there were no pieces of Vulcan ships amid the rubble and bodies all over the place?
Also, having seen the movie 13 times, the jamming signal was something that Nero activated on the drill. It was implied that it could deliberately be turned on and off, and that the drill function is not the same as the jamming function.
Also, having seen the movie 13 times, the jamming signal was something that Nero activated on the drill. It was implied that it could deliberately be turned on and off, and that the drill function is not the same as the jamming function.
Yeah...I would disagree that this was implied, after seeing the movie 11 times, read Countdown and the novelization. I don't see any reason to conclude jamming wasn't a corollary to the drill function.
There's no reason to jam signals only when the drill is running; they could just jam signals and scans all the time, were that the case.
