I am referring to the one that Ezri served on. I have searched several sites for canon ships. Some do not even list it. I have seen it as a Sovereign class (which come to think of it) have they been developed yet? and as in Intrepid class.
What Class of Ship Is the USS Destiny?
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The Destiny was never seen in the series, so the class of the vessel is unknown. I think the Armada games portrayed it as a Sovereign-class vessel.
Ugh, that was a real dead-end in starship development. Was always late to the rendezvous and couldn't be deployed anywhere without an accompanying Paris class.
Never had any upgrades, either.
Oh it did. It just had to wait until the officers in charge of the class' development got promoted and stop pretending it didn't exist most weeks.
ANY-way, the Destiny's class is not mentioned and the ship is not seen at DS9 or anywhere else. The novel-canon pretty much accepts her as a Sovereign-class ship. All we really know is that she was large enough to have a counsellor AND an assistant counsellor aboard ship as a standard issue, versus being an option on a smaller ship as in Voyager's case. Sovvie works for me.
Mark
ANY-way, the Destiny's class is not mentioned and the ship is not seen at DS9 or anywhere else. The novel-canon pretty much accepts her as a Sovereign-class ship. All we really know is that she was large enough to have a counsellor AND an assistant counsellor aboard ship as a standard issue, versus being an option on a smaller ship as in Voyager's case. Sovvie works for me.
Mark
She *did* graduate. As they say, the guy who finishes medical school at the bottom of the class is still a doctor. Practical experience starts somewhere, and perhaps her professors saw enough in her to get her a plum assignment.
Then again, complement size has nothing to do with top of the line-ness. If we assume that the Intrepid class' size and typical mission profile excludes a counselor as part of the standard complement, it would suggest that Destiny is much larger (so as to need not only a counselor but an assistant position as well), and/or would have a mission profile that would require a counselor's services, such as long-term, deep-space exploration (which is one of the reasons Troi was aboard the Enterprise, or the original intent anyway). The latter would seem odd considering it was wartime, so simply being on a big ship where a bunch of crew would need help dealing with the rigors of war makes the most sense to me.
Now, that STILL doesn't mean that it's a NEW big ship - it could still be a Galaxy, Ambassador, Excelsior or any other ship with crew counts in the hundreds. It could also be a smaller ship where BOTH the counselor and assistant were visiting temporarily to help out, but the dialogue suggest that it was more of a permanent posting as she was expecting to return to the Destiny after helping Sisko find his mojo in the seventh season. So while IMO the Destiny could be any large ship, I'm happy with it being a Sovereign and that such a ship would get a cool heroic name like this, instead of the boring old name of a dead American president or something.
Mark
Then again, complement size has nothing to do with top of the line-ness. If we assume that the Intrepid class' size and typical mission profile excludes a counselor as part of the standard complement, it would suggest that Destiny is much larger (so as to need not only a counselor but an assistant position as well), and/or would have a mission profile that would require a counselor's services, such as long-term, deep-space exploration (which is one of the reasons Troi was aboard the Enterprise, or the original intent anyway). The latter would seem odd considering it was wartime, so simply being on a big ship where a bunch of crew would need help dealing with the rigors of war makes the most sense to me.
Now, that STILL doesn't mean that it's a NEW big ship - it could still be a Galaxy, Ambassador, Excelsior or any other ship with crew counts in the hundreds. It could also be a smaller ship where BOTH the counselor and assistant were visiting temporarily to help out, but the dialogue suggest that it was more of a permanent posting as she was expecting to return to the Destiny after helping Sisko find his mojo in the seventh season. So while IMO the Destiny could be any large ship, I'm happy with it being a Sovereign and that such a ship would get a cool heroic name like this, instead of the boring old name of a dead American president or something.
Mark
Sovereign-Class ships have a crew of what between 700-900? Out of all of that there was only a single Trill onboard, seems fairly unlikely to me.
I'd go with something smaller. Even on an Intrepid-Class, with 140-150 officers and crew, a fully-certified Counsellor and a trainee isn't out of the realms of possibility--after all Ezri only had to do a year as an Assistant Counsellor before she was fully qualified, after which reassignment would've been more than likely. The smaller crew also makes it more likely for there to be fewer of each species onboard.
I'd go with something smaller. Even on an Intrepid-Class, with 140-150 officers and crew, a fully-certified Counsellor and a trainee isn't out of the realms of possibility--after all Ezri only had to do a year as an Assistant Counsellor before she was fully qualified, after which reassignment would've been more than likely. The smaller crew also makes it more likely for there to be fewer of each species onboard.
Or all the other Trills were joined already. That seems possible to me, most Trills who are sharp enough to join Starfleet are also sharp enough to become joined, so most of them do.
There aren't many Symbionts available, even those that do become Joined don't all choose to go into Starfleet--there are plenty more opportunities for them as well. Until Jadzia none of the previous hosts had been Starfleet.
Ezri herself was a smart cookie before taking on Dax. Besides the line from the episode states she was the only one onboard at the time.
Ezri herself was a smart cookie before taking on Dax. Besides the line from the episode states she was the only one onboard at the time.
Yes, several episodes suggest that joined Trills prefer to remain close to the homeworld. The Symbiosis Commission likely provides services that are difficult to find elsewhere. Conveniently, the only real exceptions are the Dax hybrids. Curzon, at least, may have been mostly posted to capital worlds, where getting back to Trill was easy. Ezri's decisions about being in Starfleet, thus distant from Trill society, were made long before the joining for which she was not prepared.
I wanted to make a joke about a ship with the name of a Canadian PM, but then I thought it would be assume if Trek had a USS Dallaire.
TrekLit's "The Lives of Dax" anthology firmly establishes U.S.S Destiny as a Sovereign-Class starship. The Enterprise-E was launched in mid to late 2372, this is established on the E's dedication plaque and Geordi's line in First Contact stating they've been in space for nearly a year. Presumably the U.S.S Sovereign was launched prior to that so that by the time Jadzia Dax is killed in late 2374 there must have been several Sovereign-Class vessels in operation. We never saw any Sovereign-Class starships on DS9 as Paramount had a policy stating that the Enterprise-E (and its design) could only appear in films and not on television
The Enterprise Dee had over a thousand people and didn't seem to of had any, not on screen anyway.
(novels don't actually "establish" things)
Why? the NCC-1701 had a crew of what 430 during the time Kirk commanded it and had what 1 Vulcan.
We only saw a fraction of the crew, there's no way to know how many aliens (especially human-looking ones) there were onboard.
It was during the '60s (2260's), when racial segregation was considered acceptable in the Federation (See also: U.S.S. Intrepid).
Starfleet abandoned their "separate but equal" policies toward the latter end of the 23rd century.
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Starfleet abandoned their "separate but equal" policies toward the latter end of the 23rd century.
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Or Kirk is a speciesist, believing humans are superior to all others.
"Separate but equal"? That is nothing grounded in canon Star Trek.
The novels, particularly Christopher's, portray the lack of species diversity on the few ships seen in detail in canon as the result of the logistical convenience of having single-species ships. After all, a multispecies crew on a Starfleet vessel or installation entails the challenge of balancing the sleep cycles, food requirements, atmosphere requirements, etc. of dozens, hundreds, or thousands of crewmembers. Crew compositions like that of the U.S.S. Enterprise in the 2270s and the U.S.S. Titan in the 2380s are generally the exception to the rule.
Where are you getting that from? I just had a quick (admittedly cursory) scan through the Ezri stories in TLoD, and I don't see it establishing anything of the sort. I have always taken it to be Nebula-class, not Sovereign, and that's taking TLoD into account.
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