What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

Discussion in 'General Trek Discussion' started by Amasov, Jun 20, 2020.

  1. Farscape One

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    BEYOND was great. It is light years ahead of the other Kelvin movies.
     
  2. Vger23

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    No, the film depicts the planet forming exactly where the Reliant exploded. The visual effects (a brief shot on the view screen) actually show the nebula elements coalescing into the newly formed planet. It's more noticeable on the recently released 4k version.
     
  3. cooleddie74

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    Regula I might have been destroyed in the Genesis Effect, though, and its constituent components became part of what finally coalesced into the Genesis Planet.
     
  4. Vger23

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    Possibly, but the film is pretty clear that this is not how the Genesis Device is designed or intended to be used. They even go so far as to be on a long-term search for a planet "that will satisfy the requirements" for a test. That would seem to imply that a particular world with a particular mass, gravity, solar orbit, etc is crucial to the device functioning properly.

    If they could just turn Regula I into a viable test planet (or simply light the thing off inside any old nebula), why have the Reliant out there searching for months for a test site?
     
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  5. cooleddie74

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    Yeah, I never bought that Regula I became the Genesis Planet. Number one, the final battle in space took place deep within the nebula and Regula I was just outside of it. So the locations don't even match up for one to be in the right spot to transform into the other.
     
  6. Tallguy

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    No. I don't think I made any aspersions as to his hygiene, his abilities as a friend, his punctuality, or his work ethic. It may be that he's never even tried to get out of jury duty.

    I don't think he has a very good grasp on how anything works outside of Hollywood and I feel it hampers his abilities as a storyteller. (I think Nick Meyer has many of the same faults, but he seems to read more books.)

    Because of this I might not draw as straight a line between the faults of the other films and "red matter" as I should.

    But when you have your 20 something fall out of bed one morning and end up with a starship it starts to color your perception of the rest of the details.

    EDIT: By the way, I think he's very good at characters and he's a genius at casting. FOR SHAME!
     
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  7. fireproof78

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    No, just that he can't word well.

    I can see that but I also think it lends credence towards the theme of falling in to success. I think Kirk's arc is more interesting for it.

    Mileage, etc.
     
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  8. Richard S. Ta

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    Light years ahead of all other Star Trek movies. I love it.
     
  9. CarnelianClout

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    @Vger23

    You have a good point. It's not something that I try to take too seriously, though there are obvious holes in the series here and there that are a bit hard to overlook. You mention the Borg, I wasn't fond of them having a Queen myself. The idea of the Borg is a force who is not able to be negotiated with. They are a force of nature. I wasn't the most fond of First Contact, but it wasn't all that bad.
     
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  10. fireproof78

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    All it needs is some technobabble, prorogating wave across subspace resulting in stellar instability.
     
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  11. Ianburns252

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    To be fair, going really fast round a celestial body to travel in time is backed up by Superman so it must be true
     
  12. Richard S. Ta

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    Those looking for scientific plausibility in Star Trek are riding a horse to nowhere. So much about the even the basic premise is ridiculous.

    Trek is a character drama. The so-called science is window dressing and more often than not it fails at even that.
     
  13. Grendelsbayne

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    Yep. Once you accept warp drive and bumpy headed aliens and universal translators as a matter of course, there's really no leg left to stand on in terms of demanding 'scientific realism'.
     
  14. Laura Cynthia Chambers

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    Reason need not be real world reason, just "following the rules of the game".

    Since the founding captain of the franchise is famous for breaking the rules of a simulation, though, I suppose writers can do the same.
     
  15. Richard S. Ta

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    I still don’t get how gravity is supposed to work onboard a starship and the very notion of the Universal Translator falls apart under even the lightest scrutiny.
     
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  16. fireproof78

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    Yes, but at least the horse has a name.
     
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    Oh, in other words, every episode of TNG.
     
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  18. Guy Gardener

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    No. That one where the Enterprise turns into a choo choo train would have been unforgivable in season one, but they sprung that shit on us at the last minute because you can't get cancelled twice.

    (How many times was Community canceled?)
     
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  19. Shat Happens

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    Everything JJ touches looks shiny at first then it's correctly perceived it is shit.. When I first knew he was going to direct Star Trek, I thought I didn't like Mission: Impossible 3 very much, and I never watched Lost but I heard it disappointed its audience. So I was wary of ST09 and I was unfortunately right. ST:ID was worse. I tried to warn my Star Wars fans friends, but he did the same to Wars.

    Neither Trek nor Wars are good since JJ.
     
  20. Space Socialist

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    I’ve always took that as bad, abysmal, writing that confused the concept of Galaxy with that of a solar system.
     
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